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Old 05-07-2006, 12:43 PM   First Class Member KKWiki Contributer Senior Registered Member #121
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Because I have a deathwish...a global deathwish. ***cackles maniacally***
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Old 07-07-2006, 02:23 AM   #124
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GLOBAL WARMING IS A MYTH!!!!

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Sorry about that, i don't know what was going through my head when i posted this. I should have given something to actually contribute to the thread. I probably just wanted a post . Anyway, here's a website http://www.chronwatch.com/content/co....asp?aid=12594
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Old 07-07-2006, 10:39 AM   #125
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Exactly. Whatever doesn´t kill you makes you stronger... Clever.
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Old 11-07-2006, 03:10 AM   #126
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But like I said a hundred times before, why take a risk? first of all, there is a risk for the far-reaching consequences and secondly everything that would contribute to global warming is bad for you, me and our environment.
Because the fake Scientists on your side of the argument lie. (Currently ALL of the data they use to PROVE their contentions is INSIDE the Error Bars.) They lie to make themselves more important. AND we all agree that YOU have not proven anything. You are just like the people who WISH for Wizards, and Elves, and Fairys... You want that world, so you pretend it is here. AND in your DELUDED State Of Mind, you expect us to "go along with your delusions" just to make you happy. Get Over It! Just because a world full of Wizards, Dragons, Fairys and Elves would be more fun than the world you find yourself in today, that doesn't mean that we should act like it is true. Your fantasy doesn't make the rules for my world. Prove what you say, or go back to your Elenore Rigby world.

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Since there is no Scientific Basis for your position, and your backup position is "you're country is one of the biggest polluters of the world should you not be the first to give it the advantage of the doubt?" and what you really mean is for us to stop our progress and change places with the "Third World" countries so they can be the "First World" for awhile, and since the "Third World" is run by Dictators, Socialists, and Thieves, I see no reason to stand back and let them run the world.

If you don't agree that this is what we are really talking about, Prove that Global Warming is taking place, and tell me When it will be here. Otherwise, I'm not going to go back to horses and buggies.

You can't prove it is going to happen, and I have billions of years that it has not happened. Debating your points using your flawed data is a waste of time.
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Old 11-07-2006, 05:24 PM   #128
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i heard that when all the polar ice caps melt, the sea level would have risen 70 meters...
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Old 11-07-2006, 07:42 PM   #129
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i heard that when all the polar ice caps melt, the sea level would have risen 70 meters...
The problem with that is that ice shrinks when it melts. So any ice that is floating will actually lower the water level when it melts. (Remember the submarine that went under the north pole? It was floating.)

Here's an experiment.
1) Take a coffee cup and saucer.
2) Fill the coffee cup almost to the brim with water
3) Top the coffee cup up with as much ice as you can put in without spilling the water over the brim, (ice cubes will be above the brim,) water will be absolutely to the brim
4) let it melt
5) measure the water in the saucer (All that sea level rise when the ice melts stuff...)

Duh.... Smacks forehead repeatedly.

think about it. You guys learned this in the fourth grade. Water expands when it freezes. That's what a frozen engine block on your car comes from. Water traps oxygen inside itself when it freezes and so it floats. So, when it melts, it takes up less room than when it is frozen. Now, some small percentage of ice is land locked, and when it thaws and flows to the sea, the sea will rise. I believe that in the last 100 years, (i.e. the end of the mini Ice Age) thawing ice has raised the sea level about an inch. That was in one of the references we quoted earlier in this discussion. One of the ones telling you that 'Global Warming' is not a problem, and if it is will not affect anything substantually for about 400 years.
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Well, we´ll find out in 20-25 years.
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Old 11-07-2006, 08:07 PM   #131
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Well, we´ll find out in 20-25 years.
If you believe that, I've got this toll bridge I want to sell you. It's quite a good investment, certified by the scientists at the National Climatological Institute. (I had to promise to pay them a certification fee, but it really is no big thing, they do this sort of thing all the time...) This bridge generates tons of income, and has paid for its own construction costs many times over. You'll be instantly rich. You can't imagine how much respect you'll get for being so astute as to fall for, I meant be an early adopter and accept this 'virtual certainty' and act on it.

You'll be the envy of all your friends, they'll think you are so smart. Obviously ubber-intelligent. Everybody will be talking about you. You'll be so famous. Sign here, and you'll be the new owner of this marvelous bridge, right here in Brooklyn, New York!
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Old 11-07-2006, 11:37 PM   #132
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Floating ice (what you tried to point out) is not the problem land ice is. Most of the current global land ice mass is located in the Antarctic (Antarctica is a land mass above see level covered by 1-2 kilometres thick ice) and Greenland. Complete melting of these ice sheets could lead to a sea-level rise of about 80 meters. Oops!
I get real tired of your misrepresentations as well. http://www.physorg.com/news5619.html
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/reso...olar-ice_x.htm

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A: Scientists at the U.S. Geological Survey estimate that If all of the ice sitting on land in Greenland and Antarctica melted it would cause global sea levels to rise by about 215 feet, or about 65 meters.

Fortunately, even the most dire scientific, global warming scenarios do not have all of the ice melting, especially in Antarctica.

To understand what could happen as the polar regions warm up, you need to have a clear picture of how glaciers, ice sheets, and sea ice work.

A glacier, or a large ice sheet, forms when more snow falls than melts each year. As the snow falls, it compresses the snow under it, turning it into dense "glacier ice." For more on how a glacier or an ice sheet grows, see my answer to a question about the age of Greenland's ice.

As a glacier, or ice sheet builds up, the weight pushes the ice outward. A glacier in a valley will spread down the valley. An ice sheet will spread out in all directions.

The edge of a glacier can be on the water, or on land. If it's on the water, pieces break off as icebergs. On land, the edges melt and the water flows to the sea in streams and rivers.

The answer to the question: Is polar ice melting? is: It's been melting since the height of the last ice age.

The real question is: Is the ice melting faster than falling snow is adding new ice?

This is certainly the case with many glaciers around the world, mostly in regions outside the Arctic and Antarctica. It could be true of Greenland, but no one expects all of Greenland's ice to melt in this century. If all of Greenland's ice melted, it would cause sea levels to rise by about 21 feet, or 6.5 meters.

Melting of Antarctic ice would supply the rest of the 215 feet of sea level rise from melting polar ice.

The good news is that this seems highly unlikely, certainly for the next few thousand years. In its 2001 report on climate change, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said that melting all of Antarctica's ice would require global temperatures to be about 36 degrees F (20 C) higher than now.

This is more than three times the greatest warming seen as possible this century and is "a situation that has not occurred for at least 15 million years and which is far more than predicted by any scenario of climate change currently under consideration," the report says.(Related: The 2001 IPCC report)
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In its 2001 assessment of global warming, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projected that global mean sea level is expected to rise between 9 and 88 centimetres by 2100, with a 'best estimate' of 50 centimetres.
So, WITH Global Warming, (According to the IPCC, the people who started all this dren about Global Warming and who you keep quoting as being the experts, those same people who say that the sea is going to rise and wipe out all the coastlines, etc...), the sea is going to raise maybe 88 centimeters in the next hundred years. In the words of the famous Prophet Don Henley,
Get Over It!

So, according to your experts, in the next hundred years, the sea is going to rise 35 inches, and it is going to get four degrees hotter as a worst case scenario. Big deal.

However, if I can use your terror to promote getting rid of Coal fired power plants and replacing them with Nuclear ones, and to get a first colony on the moon and Mars to protect us from extinction, then that would be a good thing.

And you said we would be out of uranium in 70 years. That's either a deliberate obfuscation or a lie. Look up "Breeder Reactor." Your statement has no legs. You are either deliberately lying or trying to misdirect the discussion so people think you are right. No points for lying.

Let's see, with Technology on "Full Tilt Boogie" for 70 years, you and the rest of the Luddites will be looking at the same scope of change that we have had since 1941, seventy years ago. In 1941, we built world crushing Battleships. Now a days, a laser in Space is what all the dictators are afraid of. A single laser that can take out a single despot from space, without warning. Boy! I would not want to be a dictator then.

Forget the threat of "Global Warming", Imagine the threat of "World Peace" through an agreed upon morality. We would have to agree on 'right and wrong.'
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Old 12-07-2006, 04:52 PM   First Class Member KKWiki Contributer Senior Registered Member #134
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That is a nice hotel room, right there.
Like I've said before, I'm all for a cleaner environment. However, when it comes to polluters, I'd like to see China forced to take the same measures we are.
As far as per capita CO deuce emissions, we are much higher than them, but using per capita figures only muddies the water. Their population is up over 1.3 billion...roughly four times our population...and hardly any own cars.
70% of the U.S. population owns a car.
0.07% of China's population owns a car.
Obviously, our per capita figures are going to be higher. However, China is burning roughly the same amount of coal as the U.S. is currently, and is slated to be burning twice as much as us by the year 2025. This is why exempting China from the Kyoto Protocol is ridiculous.
In addition, putting additional constraints on U.S. manufacturers will create an even worse scenario environmentally. If manufacturers are forced to close plants in developed nations, more industry will be shifted to China, which would result in even greater use of coal on their part.
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Old 14-07-2006, 01:16 PM   #135
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Sob you mean it's not gonna be beach front?

Dave, I invested all my retirement fund in several pieces of land at the 190 to 230 ft elevation in Alabama.. Are you telling me that spending my time building beach cabana's and setting up refreshment stands is SOB a waste of my time?

( Shouts over shoulder) Hold it there honey, we may have to go out and earn more retirement money... Looks like we wont make it with this investment after all......
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If global warming doesn't take care of your investment, there's always Alabama Power. They've made more millionaires in the state of Alabama than American Idol, simply by building dams, turning worthless pasture into waterfront property.
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I like cleaner enviroments but like my room I dont work very hard to fix it.
Besides we are all getting so out of shape we might as well start walking or running, six km bah fifteen is the money.

I believe in global warming but I do not think it is happening as fast as most people think. Al Gores movie is surprisingly good and calls you to action (albeit in a procrastotorial way) and conveys the mesage through god mediums (Futurama) despite self sympathizing propoganda to humanize him.
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Im personally not entirely bothered about Global Warming, despite having to do a 5000 word essay on it , but im not bothered about it cause i dont really care if Ice Caps are melting or anything like that
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