Greenland contains enough melt water to eventually raise sea level by about 23 feet

[Kriv]

Everyone! Stop peeing! For the good of man kind hold it in!
Won't someone please think of the children!

[hasselbrad]

Greenpeace is an extremist organization bent on crippling the industrialized nations with their chicken-little scare tactics.
I'm not for burning tires in your front lawn. I'd like to see us use fuels that burn clean and not pollute every waterway in the world, but I don't want to see the world economy grind to a halt because some enviro-whack-jobs think we should all ride bikes to jobs where we weave hemp rope and sing songs about mother earth.
You want to know how to solve the major pollution problems? Convince people in third world countries to wrap that rascal, or, to just stop screwing all together. Getting a hold on the population explosion in areas that are ill-equipped to handle the current population is a big step in reducing humankind's effect on the planet.

[Flightfreak]

Originally Posted by hasselbrad

Greenpeace is an extremist organization bent on crippling the industrialized nations with their chicken-little scare tactics.

Greenpeace is a fair organisation based on respect! is there something wrong with respect? i don’t think so! you apparently don’t know much about the organisation don’t judge them, on what you see on commercial media stations!

Originally Posted by hasselbrad

I'm not for burning tires in your front lawn. I'd like to see us use fuels that burn clean and not pollute every waterway in the world, but I don't want to see the world economy grind to a halt because some enviro-whack-jobs think we should all ride bikes to jobs where we weave hemp rope and sing songs about mother earth.

do you think they are stupid? Of course you can't change our way of living on one day, it takes years, and we will need fuel and bad stuff, to come to a better way of exploiting the planet. But when are you planning to change? When it is too late?

Originally Posted by hasselbrad

You want to know how to solve the major pollution problems? Convince people in third world countries to wrap that rascal, or, to just stop screwing all together. Getting a hold on the population explosion in areas that are ill-equipped to handle the current population is a big step in reducing humankind's effect on the planet.

THE USA IS THE BIGGEST POLLUTER OF THE WORLD!!!
Start to clean your own country before you, comment on others.
You guys just need to put a coffee filter on your fabrics and you get the Kyoto norm

Africa is over populated, is that there fault? You know how much a pack of condom’s costs in Burkina Faso 10dollar; do you know how much they earn in a month? 5dollar...

[hasselbrad]

Ahh yes, Kyoto...yet another attempt to cripple the economies of industrialized nations.

http://www.unchs.org/Istanbul+5/68.pdf

And, would you look at that...the industrialized nations have the lowest levels of airborne pollutants. In addition, you'll find very few areas in the United States where human waste is allowed to run into the water supply.

So condoms cost more than two months salary? Fine...masturbate!
If you can't afford a pack of condoms, you surely can't afford another mouth to feed.

[Flightfreak]

Originally Posted by hasselbrad

Ahh yes, Kyoto...yet another attempt to cripple the economies of industrialized nations.

http://www.unchs.org/Istanbul+5/68.pdf

And, would you look at that...the industrialized nations have the lowest levels of airborne pollutants. In addition, you'll find very few areas in the United States where human waste is allowed to run into the water supply.

http://www.unchs.org/Istanbul+5/68.pdf ---> Source: World Resources Institute, 1990-1995 (based on a sample of 79 cities)

i think there are more up to date publications than that one

Did you know that the most fabrics, who work now in third world countries worked once in industrialised countries, they just moved them because of the higher norms in the industrialised countries.
did you know that the most industries in third world countries are in hands of western multinationals!!!

Originally Posted by hasselbrad

So condoms cost more than two months salary? Fine...masturbate!
If you can't afford a pack of condoms, you surely can't afford another mouth to feed.

This is the most stupid comment i have heard ever, go and look in the histories of Africa, and look who is responsible for the way Africa now is! And come than back with a descent comment!

[hasselbrad]

Oh my God...you're right, how silly of me to assume that being able to afford to feed, clothe and generally provide for the welfare of a child should have any bearing on one's personal behavior.
And I didn't bring Africa into the argument, you did.

[Flightfreak]

Originally Posted by hasselbrad

Oh my God...you're right, how silly of me to assume that being able to afford to feed, clothe and generally provide for the welfare of a child should have any bearing on one's personal behaviour.
And I didn't bring Africa into the argument, you did.

you need to understand the African culture to understand it, why do you think i say to you that you need to look in the African history.

anyway, i did bring Africa up because you said this:

Originally Posted by hasselbrad

Convince people in third world countries to wrap that rascal, or, to just stop screwing all together. Getting a hold on the population explosion in areas that are ill-equipped

anyway, to stay a bit on topic, you cant hold third world countries responsible for the global warming of the world.

[hasselbrad]

Oh...so you just assumed that I was making a racial remark about Africans? As if I needed that to know how you think I think.
Catholicism is the main stumbling block in this crusade since it's the church's position that wrapping up means going to hell. My point was, that in many areas of the world, the population far exceeds the infrastructure's capability to deal with it.
My problem with the environmentalist movement, is that, for the most part, it is financed and supported through socialist organizations. These organizations are the same ones who actively work against the United States on all fronts. It makes me suspicious of their motives. And, U.S. owned companies aren't the only ones manufacturing products in third world countries.
And, I'm suspicious of global warming science altogether, as was illustrated by the article I posted originally. A lot of the data seems to be from a very narrow sample of years.

[Narg]

fuck, chill, take on the general aussie attitude of "fuck it", we are all going to be dead before the serious shit hits the fan, so who the fuck cares.

[Liam]

Give that man a New.

[ryan]

Originally Posted by flightfreak

Africa is over populated, is that there fault? You know how much a pack of condom’s costs in Burkina Faso 10dollar; do you know how much they earn in a month? 5dollar...

Do you know how much it costs to not have sex in the first place if you don't want to get the woman pregnant?

IT'S FREE. OMG~

You can't bitch about overpopulation being a huge problem in a place when the people can't do the easy and free thing and just not have sex like wild rabbits. Keep your dick in your pants more often and you won't get litters of babies. Simple as that.

[ryan]

Originally Posted by Narg

fuck, chill, take on the general aussie attitude of "fuck it", we are all going to be dead before the serious shit hits the fan, so who the fuck cares.

you crazy ass aussies.


speaking of which, i may be vacationing there within a year. it's either there, somewhere in asia, or italy.

Originally Posted by Liam

Give that man a New.

I got it, did you?

[deviljet88]

Aussies aren't crazy, we just don't give a rat's arse about something so far away. Plus we can always be ignorant and blame it on a heating period. There'll be an Ice Age another few thousand years or something, so meh.

[Flightfreak]

Originally Posted by hasselbrad

Oh...so you just assumed that I was making a racial remark about Africans? As if I needed that to know how you think I think.
Catholicism is the main stumbling block in this crusade since it's the church's position that wrapping up means going to hell.

One: I did not think that you where making a racial remark about Africans, your remark, on how to stop overpopulation in Africa was just ridicules.
The church is just one of the problems in Africa, but this thread isn’t about the problems in Africa. The only way to help third world countries is by educating there population.
Anyway, like I said this thread is about global warming and not about third world countries.

Two: You just can’t put a finger to third world countries, if your own country is one of the biggest polluters of the planet!

Do you know what western countries do with there old, high polluted ships?



http://www.greenpeace.org/internatio...em%5fid=634119

This is one of the many examples i can give you!
So don’t come, and tell me that third world countries are responsible for a global warming of the earth, they have there part in it, but the change needs to start with us "high developed western countrys"!

Originally Posted by hasselbrad

My point was, that in many areas of the world, the population far exceeds the infrastructure's capability to deal with it. .

I agree with that.

Originally Posted by hasselbrad

My problem with the environmentalist movement, is that, for the most part, it is financed and supported through socialist organizations. These organizations are the same ones who actively work against the United States on all fronts. It makes me suspicious of their motives. And, U.S. owned companies aren't the only ones manufacturing products in third world countries.
And, I'm suspicious of global warming science altogether, as was illustrated by the article I posted originally. A lot of the data seems to be from a very narrow sample of years.

Greenpeace is not supported by any company, organisation, or government.
If you would know there program, and the ideas they stand for than you would not react like this.

I don’t think that you want your child get leukaemia because of an atomic power plant, which dumps his dirt water, on the beach, where, the local schools go swimming.
The radioactive air around La Hague was higher than in Chernobyl!!! And this was discovered by Greenpeace in 1998 in FRANCE.

http://archive.greenpeace.org/majord.../msg00193.html

So don’t come and tell me that there motives would be suspicious!!!

By the way Greenpeace is founded by a few Americans, who sailed to Amchitka Island in the Aleutians to try to stop a nuclear weapons test with their presence.

Conclusion: the earth is warming up, there is evidence that proves that we speed it up by our aggressive way of exploiting the planet.
Solution: change our way of living.
Even if you don’t believe in the fact that we are speeding up the process than you can still see the affects of, air pollution, water pollution,… on our own health/Live
We need to change our way of living anyway, so why should we wait? For a fake and hypocrite economy?

You better all should read first the program and the things where Greenpeace stands for, before you come and tell me that it are a bunch of "hippies"
Don’t judge them before you know where they stand for!

[aspro]

Well duckulas post is the only sane one on here ( and narg's ), but alot of people will think anything that means they can keep travelling the path of least resistance, Ie. why support kyoto? Ill have to stop enjoying super cheap whatevers, let everyone else worry about it.

[Flightfreak]

Originally Posted by aspro

Well duckulas post is the only sane one on here ( and narg's ), but alot of people will think anything that means they can keep travelling the path of least resistance, Ie. why support kyoto? Ill have to stop enjoying super cheap whatevers, let everyone else worry about it.

Aspro the great has spoken! :icon_err:

Anyway, he has a point on the Kyoto thingy,
But he doesn’t have the right reason not to support it!
Even if we follow the Kyoto norm, even than it will only slow down the process in 10 years, on a 100 year base. The costs are way too high against the profit in years we win with it.

So we better invest that money, in projects to make green energy, to make a good alternative for fossils fuels,
We need to change anyway; we can’t keep using fossil fuels, because they will be gone in 40years.!!

*hint support Greenpeace* they are the one who are putting pressure on the industries and governments to change!

[deviljet88]

Ahhh noble thoughts, but so unrealistic. Do you see the Arabic oil magnates shivering in their boots? No? Why not? Because they have money, and sadly, they'll have lots more money to come. Do you see the whole world embracing electronic cars? I'm pretty sure Toyota's Prius hasn't been doing much in Australia even with some vigorous campaigning. Only way I believe you can make these CEO's and government leaders see the truth is to threaten them all with a nuclear warhead capable of wiping out the world.

[Flightfreak]

Originally Posted by deviljet88

Ahhh noble thoughts, but so unrealistic. Do you see the Arabic oil magnates shivering in their boots? No? Why not? Because they have money, and sadly, they'll have lots more money to come. Do you see the whole world embracing electronic cars? I'm pretty sure Toyota's Prius hasn't been doing much in Australia even with some vigorous campaigning. Only way I believe you can make these CEO's and government leaders see the truth is to threaten them all with a nuclear warhead capable of wiping out the world.

Jet, go to the Greenpeace sites, and look what they already have achieved, i can’t sum them up, because its to many,
You underestimate the strength of the media, (that’s how Greenpeace works btw.)
Greenpeace has only 2.8 million members what is not much on a world population of 6 milliard and look what they already have achieved!

You are the one who is naïve, you are the one who is scared to say no, when the whole group says yes!

I can tell you a little anecdote about the strength Greenpeace has:

In 1985, shocked the world Greenpeace lost its Pacific Ocean campaign vessel, "the Rainbow Warrior", in Auckland, New Zealand.
The French secret service had placed explosives at the fuselage,
the whole crew was on board when the bombs, exploded one of them died (Fernando Pereira) during, the explosion.
Anyway, the French state has found guilty, and needed to pay a huge amount of money to Greenpeace,
The French defence minister was forced to resign, the United Nations was called in to mediate a settlement between France and New Zealand, and Greenpeace continued the campaign which had provoked such a violent reaction - to stop French nuclear testing at Moruroa atoll in the South Pacific.
That was 20 years ago, Greenpeace is a lot bigger now, and has a lot more strength than then!

Media is a very handful and dangers weapon!
http://www.greenpeace.org/multimedia...uicktime_v.mov
The more members, Greenpeace has the more strength, they have to change things!

So jet, my dear don’t come and tell me I am unrealistic,

[deviljet88]

1. Since when did the world only have 6 million people in it?
2. Wow the French Government really seems to support Greenpeace don't they? I mean who sets up laws and taxes in countries? Oh wait, the government.
3. Did they stop nuclear testing? At last count there's over... I don't know, 10 countries that have nuclear warheads?

By the way, did you answer any of my questions? Are the oil magnates scared? Do they worry over what will happen when they lose their oil? Does the world care so much they actually bother buying an electrical car than a fossil fuel car? No and no.