To be or not to be(the American President)

[Ranman]

I haven't started a thread in a while so here it goes

In a year and a half, we in America will
elect a new President. I wanted to talk a little about
this, starting by a discussion about the candidates.
Lets start with the Republican candidates

John Mccain, who I actually like a little. He's been called
the Democrat of the Republican party. But his age and
position on the war will will keep him from winning.

Rudy Gulliani, Who I hate. And In Republican family
morality party, He's been divorced twice and is
pro choice and supports gay people.

Mitt Romney, He's been Pro choice and
supported gay people most of his career
(but has changed his position as of late).
He is a Mormon, so he could have more than
one wife in the White House

Fred Thompson, He's acting in Law and Order right now. nuff said

Newt Gringrich, Who I really hate, While Clinton was
getting a BJ and showing us a good use for cigars.
He had his own filthy sex romp going on. Cheating
on your wife is one thing but cheating with a women
with a face of a mule is another. And he's been divorced.

Lets talk democrats

Hillary Clinton, I do like her but half the country hates
her with a passion and I don't think this country is
ready for a women President.

Barack Obama, I like him too but with only two years
experience in the senate and being the first real black
candidate, not much of a chance. It makes me sad
to say that I don't think America is ready for him.

John Edwards, he's a one term senator and an ex trial lawyer.

There are a few others, feel free to discuss them.
I really want to hear from non-Americans on these candidates

[Foeni]

All we hear about are scandals and what they've done/said of stupid things. Like when Mccain said Baghdad was safe enough for a quiet sunday afternoon walk (I believe that was his statement), but he had to wear a west and have bodyguards...
I think Hillary Clinton is the most well-known candidate in Europe. And she's probably the one the majority of Danes (10-20 people, it doesn't count much) would like to see as president.

[hasselbrad]

John Mccain, who I actually like a little. He's been called
the Democrat of the Republican party. But his age and
position on the war will will keep him from winning.

I like him alright, but your assessment is right on the money. He won't win because of the issues you raised.

Rudy Gulliani, Who I hate. And In Republican family
morality party, He's been divorced twice and is
pro choice and supports gay people.

I don't understand why you hate Giuliani. As you stated, he's pro-choice, he's supported gay rights (when other New York pols avoided the issue) and sued gun manufacturers on behalf of New York City. And, he's not afraid to dress in drag.
Is it because he cleaned up Times Square?

Mitt Romney, He's been Pro choice and
supported gay people most of his career
(but has changed his position as of late).
He is a Mormon, so he could have more than
one wife in the White House

I don't really know much about this guy, but his name is Mitt and I'm not a baseball fan.

Fred Thompson, He's acting in Law and Order right now. nuff said

Fred's a pretty good guy and despite spending a fair amount of time in Hollywood, seems to have a lot of common sense. Not sure how well he'd do in a national election though. He sounds presidential.

Newt Gringrich, Who I really hate, While Clinton was
getting a BJ and showing us a good use for cigars.
He had his own filthy sex romp going on. Cheating
on your wife is one thing but cheating with a women
with a face of a mule is another. And he's been divorced.

Newt's a smart guy who really knows history. He's also a fucking prick. He doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.

Lets talk democrats

Hillary Clinton, I do like her but half the country hates
her with a passion and I don't think this country is
ready for a women President.

Political weathervane. Hillary will say pretty much anything to get herself elected.

Barack Obama, I like him too but with only two years
experience in the senate and being the first real black
candidate, not much of a chance. It makes me sad
to say that I don't think America is ready for him.

Good with the soundbyte, but I don't really know enough about him. He hasn't been in the political landscape long enough.

John Edwards, he's a one term senator and an ex trial lawyer.

Three words say it all...ex trial lawyer. Sorry, but guys like Edwards are the reason insurance is so expensive and our legal system has been turned into some kind of fucking lottery.

I'd vote for Joe Lieberman over all of them.

[Liam]

Obama did his dash with the Australian public long ago. His totally out of line comments regarding our troop contributions have only ensured that he will be very, very unwelcome in our country should he win office. If I was in charge, I'd have pulled our troops out of any and all US-led operations just to show this young fool with an insecure grasp on the importance of his allies just how important our contribution is.

I'm on the anyone-but-Obama bandwagon.

[Mandy]

Offtopic, but how awesome would it be if Morgan Freeman was the president? Sorry, I watched Deep Impact the other day.

I should probably get more into politics than I am now. It all drives me a bit nuts, to be honest. That and I really can't be fucked to care about this country at the moment.

[duckula]

Not the strongest line up but atleast it should provide more entertainment than the Kerry-Bush snorefest. I want to see Fred Thompson win because he seems like a relatively principled chap, even if those principles are a fair whack further right than mine.

[Digital_Ice]

i heard something a while back that bush supporters were trying to get the constitution changed so he could server a third term. stupidest idea ever...

[Ranman]

Originally Posted by Digital_Ice

i heard something a while back that bush supporters were trying to get the constitution changed so he could server a third term. stupidest idea ever...

It was Bush himself, The stupidest person ever

[Hazzle]

Originally Posted by Liam

I'm on the anyone-but-Obama bandwagon.

So am I. Heard his speech the other day comparing the Virginia Tech massacres to Imus' statements and to outsourcing of US jobs abroad?

Fucking joke. Only someone stupider than Bush would say something like that. In fact the guy generally shows a complete lack of intelligence so staggering it makes Bush look like a fucking Mastermind.

However I've hated the Clinton campaign from the start, so I suppose I'm not "anyone-but-Obama". Clinton's almost as offensive a candidate as Obama. Christ, do the Democrats have to suck this badly? Both Democrat front-runners are a pair of cunting cunts. Clinton will do anything to get elected and Obama's hardly much better. Electioneering cunts.

McCain or Giuliani would be sound. I prefer Giuliani, personally, but McCain's always been the sort of guy I think would make a good president. Partisan politics is responsible for so much crap in the US that could be avoided with a good moderate politician in the White House.

[Katielondon]

http://www.jackbauerforpresident2008...ge/4413783.htm

[Hazzle]

He's a Democrat Katie

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=1824

[Katielondon]

Originally Posted by Hazzle

He's a Democrat Katie

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=1824

i agree with more of the Democrats policies in US politics, but in UK politics im very anti Labour and Lib Dem :icon_ques strange really.

[Hazzle]

Democrats suck. Well, they have ever since Clinton

he was too busy BEING sucked.

[Ranman]

I'm a democrat you shaved ape

[hasselbrad]

Originally Posted by Hazzle

Democrats suck. Well, they have ever since Clinton

he was too busy BEING sucked.

Originally Posted by Ranman

I'm a democrat you shaved ape

Thank you for proving his point.

[kingdumbass]

I always follow these things closely, and my predictions are usually right....
I think it's going to come down to Romney and Clinton.

I don't like either. Hillary comes across as far too scripted; even when she's supposedly being "casual", it's all wrong. Plus, she's too controversial. Too many people would NEVER accept her. Why the dumbass Democrats are seeming to favor this candidate over the obviously rock solid Obama is just as ridiculous as their selection of John Kerry in 2004. And John Edwards? He remains as pathetic as ever.

Romney, on the GOP side, is a douchebag. His health care plan involves REQUIRING everyone to get health insurance, regardless of whether they can afford it. Those who fail to meet the obligation are penalized come tax time, even the poor. There are millions of people who would be fucked by such a system. To the working poor, an extra 150 dollar a month bill is not payable. And the idea of such individuals getting help from the government is laughable. The American system is not capable of dealing with such a complex matter so cleanly.

While Gulliani and McCain are getting all of the attention, Romney is quietly raising almost as much money as they are, and finding support in the Republican base, which I can't see going for Rudy in the end, given his background and philosophy. The addition of Fred Thompson into the mix will screw McCain's already declining chances -- they pull in the same types of voters.

In the end, I suppose I would prefer Clinton to Romney, only because her presidency would likely be nastier, and I enjoy hostile politics. Since I have abandoned the idea that the American government is capable of producing leaders and programs that REALLY solve any problems, I have come to regard politics are mere theater -- a form of entertainment, along the lines of a soap opera. Or wrestling. A Hillary presidency would be more entertaining. You know -- more body slams, and hopefully someone getting hit from behind with a folding chair....

One thing that I DO enjoy, though, is watching Bush's administration fall apart. How the mighty have fallen! I hope the Dems keep up the unrelenting pressure on those fuckheads without actually acting on it. Let there be smoke, but no fire. Politically, that's more helpful.

[rani]

I am not an american neither a a privileged voter of USA but I want to air my insights about US Presidential Election.

USA Foreign Policies affected the whole world, in social, political and economic terms. Policies that make us poor and poorer, unending wars in different corners of the world. injustices in political practice of government to protect and preserve the "friendly" relationship between and among countries and the USA.

I am praying that US electorate will vote for a President with pro God and Pro Human Being agenda. But before that I pray that Democrats may come out with a Candidate carrying the same agenda.

This is not to mean any disrespect to US sovereignty but pure prayers to my Lord Jesus Christ.

[Ranman]

Originally Posted by rani

I am praying that US electorate will vote for a President with pro God and Pro Human Being agenda. But before that I pray that Democrats may come out with a Candidate carrying the same agenda.

This is America, We only believe in God when another country has a stronger belief in their God. These days we only care about human beings when oil is involved.

I truly believe that the Dem's will nominate Hillary for the following reasons. The Dem's don't really want to take power in 08. whoever takes over will have a cluster fuck on their hands. No one from either party has a clue on how to win in Iraq. If we stay there, Americans die. If we leave, total chaos and the notion that a little country like Iraq can beat America will no doubt Influence Muslim's around the world, that we can be beat. The reason for nominating Hillary for this is she probably can't win in the general election. The only issue that unites the Republican party these days is their hatred if Hillary. Obama kind of has the same effect for different reasons. Republicans don't like black people. When Republicans look at Obama and his staff on stage they think there is a sale going on and they can buy some farm help. This country is not ready for a black man as president(sorry to say that). This is the first time a independent has a chance to win. Mike Bloomberg, The mayor of New York city has like a ga-zillion dollars is interested in running. He could buy the whole thing.

I hope Ralph Nader will run again. He is anti big government and pro environment. The lobbying groups all hate him and thats a good sign.

[rani]

Originally Posted by Ranman

This is America, We only believe in God when another country has a stronger belief in their God. These days we only care about human beings when oil is involved.

I truly believe that the Dem's will nominate Hillary for the following reasons. The Dem's don't really want to take power in 08. whoever takes over will have a cluster fuck on their hands. No one from either party has a clue on how to win in Iraq. If we stay there, Americans die. If we leave, total chaos and the notion that a little country like Iraq can beat America will no doubt Influence Muslim's around the world, that we can be beat. The reason for nominating Hillary for this is she probably can't win in the general election. The only issue that unites the Republican party these days is their hatred if Hillary. Obama kind of has the same effect for different reasons. Republicans don't like black people. When Republicans look at Obama and his staff on stage they think there is a sale going on and they can buy some farm help. This country is not ready for a black man as president(sorry to say that). This is the first time a independent has a chance to win. Mike Bloomberg, The mayor of New York city has like a ga-zillion dollars is interested in running. He could buy the whole thing.

I hope Ralph Nader will run again. He is anti big government and pro environment. The lobbying groups all hate him and thats a good sign.

thanks for the information but i will appreciate if you could provide me more than just personalities but issues sound policy. like their position in iraq war. nuclear programs of iran and korea, and the seeming to start up cold war between russia and u.s.

the regional cooperation agreements balancing policies. the world bank policies. etc.

thanks.

uppss, why is there a need to win the war in iraq. let us recall the objective of the us soldiers occupancy of iraq. it is about wmd. but no wmd was found. so what now? iraqi different tribes resist the presence of us soldiers in their territory.

u.s citizen also resist the continuing and increasing death rate of the brave americans in iraq.

US liberated iraq from saddam, but who will liberate iraq from U.S.?

[hasselbrad]

Originally Posted by Ranman

This is America, We only believe in God when another country has a stronger belief in their God. These days we only care about human beings when oil is involved.

I truly believe that the Dem's will nominate Hillary for the following reasons. The Dem's don't really want to take power in 08. whoever takes over will have a cluster fuck on their hands. No one from either party has a clue on how to win in Iraq. If we stay there, Americans die. If we leave, total chaos and the notion that a little country like Iraq can beat America will no doubt Influence Muslim's around the world, that we can be beat. The reason for nominating Hillary for this is she probably can't win in the general election. The only issue that unites the Republican party these days is their hatred if Hillary. Obama kind of has the same effect for different reasons. Republicans don't like black people. When Republicans look at Obama and his staff on stage they think there is a sale going on and they can buy some farm help. This country is not ready for a black man as president(sorry to say that). This is the first time a independent has a chance to win. Mike Bloomberg, The mayor of New York city has like a ga-zillion dollars is interested in running. He could buy the whole thing.

I hope Ralph Nader will run again. He is anti big government and pro environment. The lobbying groups all hate him and thats a good sign.

Sit down Randy.
We agree almost 100% here.