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Old 17-11-2004, 08:56 PM   Senior Registered Member #21
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Statisitcally and if you know how to play, Video Poker gives you the best odds of winning.

Craps is the worst game to win at, you odds get worse with each throw of the dice.

Video Poker is shit because it costs 5 credits just to play the damn game. You lose money and fast.

I'll go with Roulette because the black, red, odds evens.
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Old 17-11-2004, 09:06 PM   Senior Registered Member #22
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I said if you know how to play, it is very easy to constantly win.
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Old 17-11-2004, 09:25 PM   Senior Registered Member #23
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I'm still going to disagree because it's a machine. It's basically luck on which cards you get.
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Old 17-11-2004, 10:51 PM   Officer #24
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Video poker is based on electronics, and so it is liable to be rigged by the casinos. It can be profitable in the short run, but it will take your money in the long run. Indeed, most games will rape you of your money in the long run. Probably the only games I can see that are to YOUR advantage are craps and most forms of poker.

Roulette is not a coin toss. Indeed, it has 0 and 00 to add to the roulette wheel, so it reduces the 50% chance of red/black down a few bits, so you're still in the lurch. Craps, on the other hand, bets on the probability of either a non-seven or a seven to appear, and odds are slightly favored to get a non-seven. Still, it's the roll of the die.

As for blackjack, if you can remember the number of pluses and minuses occurring in a six-deck shoe, then well good for you. In the long run, blackjack in this manner can pay off big time, but dealers are skilled at catching people who do that kind of shit. Or at least, they're paid to catch them.

For me, I would just sit at a poker table. It's all based on luck of the draw, and skill against your opponents. You're not playing against the casino, and you're playing against other people only. In truth, it's probably the only game, at which you're not at a disadvantage, unless you know diddily squat at poker.
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Old 18-11-2004, 12:05 AM   #25
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I'm a poker man. But again, it's not easy to win at by any stretch, just you have a fair chance, I suppose, as there's no slanted odds like games against the house. Plus I like the game.
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Old 18-11-2004, 03:38 AM   Senior Registered Member #26
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Video poker is based on electronics, and so it is liable to be rigged by the casinos. It can be profitable in the short run, but it will take your money in the long run. Indeed, most games will rape you of your money in the long run. Probably the only games I can see that are to YOUR advantage are craps and most forms of poker.

Roulette is not a coin toss. Indeed, it has 0 and 00 to add to the roulette wheel, so it reduces the 50% chance of red/black down a few bits, so you're still in the lurch. Craps, on the other hand, bets on the probability of either a non-seven or a seven to appear, and odds are slightly favored to get a non-seven. Still, it's the roll of the die.

As for blackjack, if you can remember the number of pluses and minuses occurring in a six-deck shoe, then well good for you. In the long run, blackjack in this manner can pay off big time, but dealers are skilled at catching people who do that kind of shit. Or at least, they're paid to catch them.

For me, I would just sit at a poker table. It's all based on luck of the draw, and skill against your opponents. You're not playing against the casino, and you're playing against other people only. In truth, it's probably the only game, at which you're not at a disadvantage, unless you know diddily squat at poker.

if you're good enough to effectively count cards, then you probably know when to lose a hand or two to make it seem like you aren't counting.

as a side note, i wish i knew how to count cards in blackjack
someone learn me.
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Old 18-11-2004, 03:41 AM   #27
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I own at hold'em the skill all comes in the betting. Even when playing with real cash, you will lose if your not aggressive. You have to force people to bet early. You'll win shit if you wait til the turn or river to bet.

Black Jack is a lot easier, and takes little effort to learn the game well.

Not being 21 I can't say ive ever been to a casino, so im not sure about roulette or craps.

I'd spen 60% of my time at poker 30% blackjack 10% at the slots(nickle)
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Old 18-11-2004, 04:24 AM   Officer #28
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Jebus. You haven't been round these parts in forever.

Oh..gambling. I like poker. And I can manage to lose an astounding amount at black jack.
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Old 18-11-2004, 04:28 AM   Senior Registered Member #29
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I own at hold'em the skill all comes in the betting. Even when playing with real cash, you will lose if your not aggressive. You have to force people to bet early. You'll win shit if you wait til the turn or river to bet.

Black Jack is a lot easier, and takes little effort to learn the game well.

Not being 21 I can't say ive ever been to a casino, so im not sure about roulette or craps.

I'd spen 60% of my time at poker 30% blackjack 10% at the slots(nickle)
you have to bet if you want to even make it to the turn or the river, unless everyone checks until after the flop is shown.
and being aggressive is far from the best strategy. not only will you be easily caught, but you'll be out of chips in no time.

besides, unless it's timed right and you're very good at it, betting (bluffing) with a shit hand will get you no where very fast.
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I still think getting a reserved KKW table at some free online poker site would be good fun, if entirely luck based.
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Old 18-11-2004, 08:20 PM   Senior Registered Member #31
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I still think getting a reserved KKW table at some free online poker site would be good fun, if entirely luck based.

It would be good fun.

I'd love to go play Hold 'em. I play with some friends but they always just get pissy and quit. I think in a competative environment it'd be harder to play with a beginner because they seem like they're sporadic with their bets. They have no set pattern.

I'd like to play craps the next time I go to the casino, I just have no idea how to play. I should look it up.

Last time I went I lost most of my money at video poker... fast. I had a dollar left went to a random slot machine and won $40. It rocked. I ended up losing a quarter. I went in with $20 and left with $19.75. I should have quit after I won the $40. It's addictive though. 1-888-BETS-OFF
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you have to bet if you want to even make it to the turn or the river, unless everyone checks until after the flop is shown.
and being aggressive is far from the best strategy. not only will you be easily caught, but you'll be out of chips in no time.

besides, unless it's timed right and you're very good at it, betting (bluffing) with a shit hand will get you no where very fast.
What i meant by betting is betting large sums, not calling. You have to force people to fold before the turn even if you only have an ok hand. Obviously you fold yourself when necessary. You cant let other people with ok hands get the the turn or else they have a chance to improve their hand. There is a difference between playing aggressive and playing careless. If you watched the world series of poker you will notice the winners all played aggressive.
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Old 19-11-2004, 12:14 AM   #33
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Fancyman is right. There is a difference between playing aggressively and carelessly. It's a subtle difference, but one nonetheless. It's important not to be too aggressive on a stone-cold bluff, as Ryan said, but it's important also when you have the cards to be as aggressive as you can, because even a winning hand can become a loser if you're not careful. In essence you're both right.
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Old 19-11-2004, 12:47 AM   Senior Registered Member #34
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What i meant by betting is betting large sums, not calling. You have to force people to fold before the turn even if you only have an ok hand. Obviously you fold yourself when necessary. You cant let other people with ok hands get the the turn or else they have a chance to improve their hand. There is a difference between playing aggressive and playing careless. If you watched the world series of poker you will notice the winners all played aggressive.
what you're describing would be called playing stupid.
there's a big difference between playing aggressive and playing stupid.

rarely will a good player bet big on an average hand before the turn more than a couple times a night.
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Old 19-11-2004, 01:25 AM   Officer #35
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Of course, poker players will not play big with small hands (not unless they know the other players are too conservative and will fold immediately with anything less than A-10). And, as the others have said, it's important to play aggressively with good cards but not to act aggressively with dumb cards. And the point of bluffing (or semi-bluffing anyway) is to play off dumb cards as the good ones. But this is another beginning poker lesson to learn anyway.

I'll just retract my old statement, because poker is not an easy game to play.
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Old 21-11-2004, 09:23 PM   #36
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what you're describing would be called playing stupid.
there's a big difference between playing aggressive and playing stupid.

rarely will a good player bet big on an average hand before the turn more than a couple times a night.
I'm begining to wonder if you play poker at all Ryan. If you apply pressure most people will fold after the flop if they dont have a strong hand. Take it from someone who has played thousands of hands, if you have even just have pocket 10s, its a good idea to raise. Obviously you need to mix things up a bit, you can't apply the same betting strategy everytime you meet a situation, cause good players pick up on it. For example, as an aggressive player, at least once a game I will check or fail to raise with a very strong hand. This often lures players to feel secure, then you raise at the very end forcing them to call to see the river. It really messes with the heads of players who aren't familiar with the game

The point is, it is not stupid to bet with only a decent hand, as long as you keep other players off-balance ie you can't use this stategy every hand

I'm not going to lie, playing as aggresively as I do, I do make mistakes and find myself short-stacked early sometimes, but the vast majority of the time I outlast the timid conversvative player.

I guess it also depends on the type of game you play. I tend to play in tournaments where you buy in for $15 or $20 and recieve $10,000 in chips, last man takes all. I suppose it would be quite different in a casino.
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Old 21-11-2004, 10:05 PM   Senior Registered Member #37
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I'm begining to wonder if you play poker at all Ryan. If you apply pressure most people will fold after the flop if they dont have a strong hand. Take it from someone who has played thousands of hands, if you have even just have pocket 10s, its a good idea to raise. Obviously you need to mix things up a bit, you can't apply the same betting strategy everytime you meet a situation, cause good players pick up on it. For example, as an aggressive player, at least once a game I will check or fail to raise with a very strong hand. This often lures players to feel secure, then you raise at the very end forcing them to call to see the river. It really messes with the heads of players who aren't familiar with the game

The point is, it is not stupid to bet with only a decent hand, as long as you keep other players off-balance ie you can't use this stategy every hand

I'm not going to lie, playing as aggresively as I do, I do make mistakes and find myself short-stacked early sometimes, but the vast majority of the time I outlast the timid conversvative player.

I guess it also depends on the type of game you play. I tend to play in tournaments where you buy in for $15 or $20 and recieve $10,000 in chips, last man takes all. I suppose it would be quite different in a casino.


Playing aggressive on a weak hand/bluffing will win you how many hands in a night? Just a few at most. You can't go bluffing every other hand because you'll get caught and then end up with your broke ass on the street.
Yes, it's a good idea to play aggressively every now and then if you have a good feeling that the other people in the hand will likely fold or you feel you can sucker them in, but you're making it out to be the only strategy to play. You wouldn't do that but a few times a night at most. The people you're playing with aren't stupid. They'll catch on if you get greedy with your "im gonna buy you out" tactic. That, or they'll actually have a good hand and you'll end up poor in no time.
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You can't go bluffing every other hand because you'll get caught and then end up with your broke ass on the street.
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The point is, it is not stupid to bet with only a decent hand, as long as you keep other players off-balance ie you can't use this stategy every hand
I'm glad to see we agree, is there really any point in continuing to going back and forth?

I admit I was wrong to say you know nothing of poker, it was use of the logical fallacy "ad hominum" and I should not have attacked you to strenthen my arguement.

I guess in the end, I'm an agressive player and I win a lot. You are obviously a little more conservative, and that's ok too, I wish you the best of luck in your playing. I just really dont feel like arguing with since you are one of the board members I respected while I was here.

I still maintain that my style of play isn't stupid though or if it is, I guess I don't care cause it gets me cash for alcohol
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Old 21-11-2004, 11:15 PM   Senior Registered Member #39
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I just really dont feel like arguing with since you are one of the board members I respected while I was here.
no harm done. i don't take anything said here personally.
i enjoy a decent argument (debate?) every now and again.

we all have our own styles.
to each his own.
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