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Old 15-09-2004, 08:51 AM   #1
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Communism: Good or Bad?

I know that ever since the Cold War everyone has viewed Communism as "evil", but what I came to realise is that what people are calling Communism isn't really Communism at all. It is infact Socialism that they are refering to, they just confuse the two. People think of Communism as a form of government where a dictator forces the public to divide everything equally. This is not the case because there is no such thing as a "Communist government." The whole point of "true" Communism is to eliminate government. The principle behind Communism is that everyone will willingly divide all possessions equally without having to be told by a government official. So the problem is not that Communism is an "evil" system, it's just not a very practical idea on a large scale because by the time you divide everything your portions are extremely small. However on a small scale it could in theory be a functional system, that is of course if you're community is free of greed which of course is not likely. That's another reason why "true" Communism could never work. It's impossible to completely eliminate greed.

Socialism on the other hand is a system in which you have a government (whether it be a Republic or a dictatorship) that distributes everything in equal shares and eliminates social classes, hence the name Socialism. So really there has never been a truly Communist system, infact even the Soviet Union wasn't a Communist system because U.S.S.R. stands for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. So in reallity it's actually Socialism that people hate not Communism.

Now before you start screaming at me that I'm an "evil" Commy, I would just like to say that I am neither for nor against the Communist beliefs. I think it has it's pros and cons just like any other system.

Anyway I apologize for the long essay but I just wanted to make sure you know what Communism really is so you could make an educated decision for yourselves as to what you think about Communism. If you still hate Communism that's fine, or if you've changed you're mind about what you think of it that's great too. I just want to hear some of your opinions about it. However if you do voice your opinion try and think for yourself, don't start ranting that Communism is evil just because that's what you've been taught your whole life. If you think Communism is bad give some real reasons why you disagree with this "philosophy" so to speak, and visa-versa if you think Communism is a good system give some good reasons why you think it's a good system.
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Old 15-09-2004, 09:13 AM   Senior Registered Member #3
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"However on a small scale it could in theory be a functional system, that is of course if you're community is free of greed which of course is not likely."

And that's why its very, VERY unlikely communism would work, so I vote disliking it. Fair ideal, if unrealistic.
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Old 15-09-2004, 10:28 AM   #4
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Communism is not liberty

>I know that ever since the Cold War everyone has viewed Communism as "evil",
>but what I came to realise is that what people are calling Communism isn't really
>Communism at all. It is infact Socialism that they are refering to, they just confuse
>the two. People think of Communism as a form of government where a dictator
>forces the public to divide everything equally. This is not the case because there is
>no such thing as a "Communist government."

The implementing of communist theory results in dictatorial government, whether the government is a committee with dictatorial power or an individual. That’s because communist theory is ungrounded: bad theory doesn’t work.

> The whole point of "true" Communism is to eliminate government.

Eliminating government will strip people of legal rights. They’ll have rights only in the ethical sense, which in a tyranny, is having no rights at all. Tyrannists love communism, especially the anarchic goals, because it removes the legal barriers to tyranny, and allows the unregulated use of force.

>The principle behind Communism is that everyone will willingly divide all
>possessions equally without having to be told by a government official.

Why does anyone believe that it is ethical to willingly give others your possessions? One reason is that most people have been indoctrinated into believing this stupid value throughout their schooling by socialist teachers.

However, it is not ethical to give up your possessions. It is more ethical to be self-reliant, to be dependent on no one else for your survival. It is also ethical to encourage others to be self-reliant.

Instead of imagining a world with no possessions, as John Lennon asserts, consider imagining a world where every normal adult is self-reliant—that is, able to survive on their own, without depending on others. In such a world people would be happier, more successful, and there would be less hunger and need. And that world is practically realizable, but not through encouraging incompetence or dependency.

>So the
>problem is not that Communism is an "evil" system, it's just not a very practical
>idea on a large scale because by the time you divide everything your portions are
>extremely small.

Communism is an extremely light theory that views wealth the old way, as something that passes around from one thief to another.

However, wealth is created by the efforts of individuals, especially those working together with mutual consent, toward goals they agree upon which further their particular interests, in free societies where they must respect others’ rights.

Free people are more able to create wealth than those in tyranny, because there is greater incentive in self-ownership and their minds are more able to function in free societies.

>However on a small scale it could in theory be a functional
>system, that is of course if you're community is free of greed which of course is not
>likely. That's another reason why "true" Communism could never work. It's
>impossible to completely eliminate greed.

“Greed” is properly defined as “desire for the unearned”. That is a different desire than to desire to earn wealth. Communist professors and teachers have never grasped this fundamental difference.

>Socialism on the other hand is a system in which you have a government
>(whether it be a Republic or a dictatorship) that distributes everything in equal
>shares and eliminates social classes, hence the name Socialism.

Socialism neither distributes everything equally nor eliminates social classes. Socialists say they desire to do so, but they are lying or are themselves mislead by others who are lying. The socialists plan is to remove property rights in order to steal wealth, and use whatever line of bs that works in order to accomplish this aim.

>So really there has
>never been a truly Communist system, in fact even the Soviet Union wasn't a
>Communist system because U.S.S.R. stands for Union of Soviet Socialist
>Republics. So in reality it's actually Socialism that people hate not Communism.

Very convoluted reasoning. People challenge socialism and communism because they are poor theories, both coming from the same relativistic and nihilistic intellectual heritage. Neither of them work because they are bad theories—bad as in based upon invalid inductive abstractions.

>Now before you start screaming at me that I'm an "evil" Commy, I would just like
>to say that I am neither for nor against the Communist beliefs. I think it has it's
>pros and cons just like any other system.

At best you’re dishonest. You are promoting socialism/communism.
You have posted these comments here to make them accessible to young and impressionable minds, and this statement is an attempt to make yourself look objective, when you are not.

>Anyway I apologize for the long essay but I just wanted to make sure you know
>what Communism really is so you could make an educated decision for yourselves
>as to what you think about Communism.

And now you ask for their decision.

>If you still hate Communism that's fine, or
>if you've changed you're mind about what you think of it that's great too. I just
>want to hear some of your opinions about it. However if you do voice your opinion
>try and think for yourself, don't start ranting that Communism is evil just because
>that's what you've been taught your whole life.

Thinking for yourself is definitely more ethical. However, for those who would, consider that in a communist/socialist society, thinking for yourself will make you an enemy of such a society.

>If you think Communism is bad give
>some real reasons why you disagree with this "philosophy" so to speak, and visa-
>versa if you think Communism is a good system give some good reasons why you
>think it's a good system.
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Old 15-09-2004, 10:38 AM   Senior Registered Member #5
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it very obviously doesn't work.
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at best you’re dishonest. You are promoting socialism/communism.
You have posted these comments here to make them accessible to young and impressionable minds, and this statement is an attempt to make yourself look objective, when you are not.
If anyone is stupid enough to change their beliefs on politics, religion or anything else for that matter because of a post on an internet forum, they have problems.

There has been no such thing as a true communist government, so there are no examples to point to. The theory is fundamentally flawed as it does not take into account ingrained elements of the human nature - competition, love of material goods, etc.

If it could work, it might be good. But it cant.
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Old 17-09-2004, 09:13 PM   #7
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The economic philosophy of communism doesn't work, as has been said. The social philosophy believes in equality - an equal share of the misery for all.

It really can be put as simply as that.

You get these wiseguys now who say 'Oh, well, what happened in Russia, that's not REAL communism.' Because communism is concurrent with dictatorship so often, the 'real' communists like to distance themselves from the rest.

Democracy has never been rebranded. It has only ever modernised.

Communism has been rebranded more times than Madonna.
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Old 17-09-2004, 11:44 PM   #8
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The ideals of Communism are perfect in a perfect world, but too bad, it isnt. Communism would be the perfect government if humans (all of us) weren't so damn greedy
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Old 18-09-2004, 10:26 AM   #9
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The ideals of Communism are perfect in a perfect world, but too bad, it isnt. Communism would be the perfect government if humans (all of us) weren't so damn greedy
Complete bunk.

The "ideals" of communism stink. No privacy, nothing for your exclusive use, conformity to a stupid theory. "Equality" of everyone, rather than equal justice under the law is completely boring and only caters to the envious crowd.

Loving everyone equally is similarly bunk. Rather than paying people with affection for their earned traits of character, communists would adore Stalin, Doctor Death and any two-bit whore equally as much as Keira.

This is a disincentive to become a better person, and creates a world of little, weak people, rather than strong, able ones.

Communism is a scam theory used by those who want to steal the accomplishments of others, peddled to the ignorant or intellectually lazy in order to pursuade them to vote away their own property, using the envy of others as the bait.

As I said, communism is stupid, unsound theoretically and catastrophic when implemented on any kind of person, greedy or not.

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Old 22-09-2004, 12:30 AM   #10
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privacy has nothing to do with communism, we aren't talking stereotypical communist remarks, we're talking about the theory of communism itself... and i repeat privacy has nothing to do with communism... and to add to my previous post, communism is so simple it's complicated cool huh?!
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Old 22-09-2004, 06:43 AM   #11
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It seems that the point that keeps being reiterated is that Communism is good in theory but it's not a practical idea in the real world. So since most of us can agree on that try expanding your thoughts a little. No Communism isn't practical, but why? What is it that makes Communism so impractical? Is it really because humans are inherently greedy? How can we be so greedy considering that from the time we are small children we are taught to share? Than when we are adults suddenly we are expected to make as much money as possible so we can be good little Capitalists. So we are basically living in a hypocritical society where as children we are basically taught Communist ideals but than as adults we are expected to be greedy and make lots of money. This makes me think that maybe humans aren't inherently greedy, maybe we are only greedy because in this society that is what is expected of us.
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