The First Presidential Debate

[dave]

The Repugnicants vs The Demagogues

McCain whipped Obama's hide... Wonder how that happened? The Press is on Obama's side and the questions seemed to be tilted in Obama's favor and everybody is so tired of the Repugnicant point of view, yet it was Obama who advocated starting about three new wars and couldn't come up with one single program that he would cut to pay for the Demagogue's $700 Billion payoff for the Wall Street Crooks.

How could that happen? I've been hearing that Obama is the Savior of America, what's with that?

I'm thinking that McCain won't last the time automatically making Sarah Palin president.

So, the real choice is between a Black Man or a Woman. Either way something new is going to happen.

So Next Thursday's debate should be the decider. Can Sarah Palin make Joe Biden back down. Can she handle the job. Remember that Joe Biden is very different from Obama. He has been there a long time and is not considered main stream Demo.

The current group of Republicans are about where the Democrats were when I was young. The Democrats are outright Socialists. Socialists believe that the government should own the factories and that people should have everything that they need to live. (No socialist ever says "live well." Many Democrats will say that.)

Now, the economy just cratered because Wall Street types figured out that they could "short" a stock without having to put the money to cover what they were buying into escrow. They never had the courage to do these "naked shorts" before because the market never moved fast enough so that was safe to do. (i.e. the bill would come before the market went down enough to make a big profit.) But the huge Insurance companies and Banks were destroyed by the huge loans on falling property values all came due and the "day traders" saw an opportunity to make huge "naked shorts". The Banks and Insurance companies were forced into selling their stock to the day traders at the depreciated value (because that's the way the rules are.) and suddenly the banks and insurance companies were bankrupt. Actually, they were bankrupt all along, but were hiding that by holding worthless mortgages. When they had to sell the depreciated stock to the day traders so they could sell it to the people who actually owned the stock and had to buy it at the price that it was before being "shorted", The day traders made a huge amount of money, the people who owned the overvalued stock lost their shirts, and the banks and insurance companies were left with only worthless loans in their portfolio, so they went bankrupt or were sold for pennies on the dollar. This all happened faster than you could read this explanation.

It was pretty clear that one or both of the Presidential candidates last night still doesn't understand what just happened.

So, you are really voting for either Obama or Palin.

[Kelsey]

I just think it's funny that all of Obama's "cool" plans just went down the drain with all of this economy crap. I was wondering before two weeks ago where he was planning to get all of the money for his plans. Now I'm really wondering.

And I don't buy that McCain is about to kick the bucket thing. His mother's still alive and kicking for god's sake. But I adore Sarah Palin, so I don't care either way. I can't wait for the vice presidential election, because I think she's going to surprise a lot of people, and just crucify Biden (anyone else think he looks like a creeper?)

McCain/Palin has my vote, and there was never a question.

[Joly]

Palin is anti-abortion, pro-guns and a bible basher.
I'd prefer Obama but I'm certainly no expert on American Politics.

[dave]

Originally Posted by Joly

Palin is anti-abortion, pro-guns and a bible basher.
I'd prefer Obama but I'm certainly no expert on American Politics.

Well, let's see. You make three Euro-points and then apologize for having that opinion. That's not a good start for your side...

1) She's pro-gun, and you hold that against her. To you it's reprehensible. For me it is a requirement. Our country was founded by scared farmers and Religious nuts who were fed up with being hung in the city square by British/French/Spanish/Dutch Aristocracy for trivial insults. You guys don't seem to be doing that much any more... Seems you learned your lesson. However, you have turned into a continent of wusses. You need to bring back some of those Australians (though they seem to be going soft lately.)

2) She's anti-abortion. So am I, so what? I really don't believe that you can turn back that particular clock. I suspect that it is racist to say anything more about this. In fact, because the various racial birth rates are evidence that being pro-abortion is always a racist stance, I can't even talk about this without being considered a racist and an asshole. So whenever a person talks about abortion they are really talking about race and any response is not Politically Correct. (Start with the fact that the white race is not replenishing itself and any discussion about killing babies is automatically a discussion about killing more brown/black babies than white. I knew that if I broke it down far enough you would eventually understand. So, any stance on Abortion is Racist.)

3) She's a Bible basher. (I think you mean Bible Thumper. A Bible basher would be someone who "bashes" the bible.) You have a problem with someone who actually believes and practices the morality taught in the Bible? You think that is somehow wrong? You must have very nervous friends. They wouldn't have a clue what you are going to do next.

The last famous Bible basher was Joe Stalin, he actually killed more Jews than Hitler (another Bible basher). But the true Russian story may never escape.

So we'll just have to agree to disagree that ALL three of your complaints are worthy. You can go back to sleep now. We'll wake you when it's over.

[JenR]

I'm voting for McCain... don't judge me.

[eelliiinn]

im not really into american politics, but from what ive seen, i think Obama seems like the best man for the job.

[Joly]

Originally Posted by dave

Well, let's see. You make three Euro-points and then apologize for having that opinion. That's not a good start for your side...

1) She's pro-gun, and you hold that against her. To you it's reprehensible. For me it is a requirement. Our country was founded by scared farmers and Religious nuts who were fed up with being hung in the city square by British/French/Spanish/Dutch Aristocracy for trivial insults. You guys don't seem to be doing that much any more... Seems you learned your lesson. However, you have turned into a continent of wusses. You need to bring back some of those Australians (though they seem to be going soft lately.)

The fact that you can even believe a gun is a method of self-defense astounds me.
I've never even seen a proper gun up close where I live. In fact, the only people I can even imagine having a gun are farmers. My chances of being shot - almost nil. With like half of american households in possesion of guns I think I know where I'd rather live.

Originally Posted by dave

2) She's anti-abortion. So am I, so what? I really don't believe that you can turn back that particular clock. I suspect that it is racist to say anything more about this. In fact, because the various racial birth rates are evidence that being pro-abortion is always a racist stance, I can't even talk about this without being considered a racist and an asshole. So whenever a person talks about abortion they are really talking about race and any response is not Politically Correct. (Start with the fact that the white race is not replenishing itself and any discussion about killing babies is automatically a discussion about killing more brown/black babies than white. I knew that if I broke it down far enough you would eventually understand. So, any stance on Abortion is Racist.)

Wtf!? Racism never even crosses my mind when I think of abortion, so that was a waste of time, davey. =/

Originally Posted by dave

3) She's a Bible basher. (I think you mean Bible Thumper. A Bible basher would be someone who "bashes" the bible.)

No. I meant Bible Basher.


Yanks

[Leonie]

Originally Posted by dave

Well, let's see.
3) She's a Bible basher. (I think you mean Bible Thumper. A Bible basher would be someone who "bashes" the bible.) You have a problem with someone who actually believes and practices the morality taught in the Bible? You think that is somehow wrong? You must have very nervous friends. They wouldn't have a clue what you are going to do next.

I'm especially fond of the chapter that has Lot offering up one of his daughters for the village to rape so they won't rape his visitor. Of course, said daughters later get him drunk so he can impregnate them. Classy bunch they are. I'm thrilled people are practicing those morals still.

Puh-lease. The Bible is not the be all and end all of morals. Thinking you're better than other people because you are a Christian, however, I think goes right in against the call for a lack of self-importance in your very Bible. Jesus didn't think he was the hottest thing going around, so why do a group of his followers think they get to ride the superiority wagon?

Originally Posted by Kelsey

As for Obama, he voted present (not yes, not no, but that's a different story) 143 days that the Senate was open. 143 days of experience in a leadership experience. And he thinks he is ready to be promoted to Commander in Chief. You wouldn't be promoted from teacher to superintendant after 143 days, you wouldn't be promoted to manager from McDonalds in 143 days! Just some interesting food for thought.

Knowing that Alaska is between Canada and Russia makes you a great fit for vice-president, however. Repeating it three times makes it even more convincing. I'm with you on the Katie Couric moron point, but the fact remains that Palin had no real answer to provide an example of her foreign affairs experience. None. Katie Couric even led her on, giving her a real chance by asking her if she had perhaps been part of cross-border agreements, and she still didn't manage to get out anything else than "Russia, it's right there!" or something similar. I'd be terrified if there were even the slightest odds she might become my president.

I will say, however, that McCain is the least scary Republic in ten years. He's got some good points, seems extremely intelligent (and I realise that that's easy since we automatically compare him to Bush, but even without such easy comparison, the man is clever, fair enough) and his experience speaks for him. I just don't agree with him fully. I was willing to give him a chance, but Sarah Palin... I'm sorry, no. I'm sure she's just like everyone, and that's wonderful, but it doesn't in any way make one a worthy vice-president. Unlike Obama, she doesn't appear to have the smarts to make up for lack of experience either. I didn't think McCain that terrible, but I couldn't seriously vote for someone who's running mate is Sarah Palin. It's the end of credibility.

As always, of course, politics just turns into picking the lesser evil.

[hasselbrad]

Originally Posted by Leonie

As always, of course, politics just turns into picking the lesser evil.

Ain't that the fucking truth.

I'm getting to the point where I think armed revolt is the best option. The founding fathers felt it should always be in play.

[dave]

Originally Posted by Leonie

Puh-lease. The Bible is not the be all and end all of morals. Thinking you're better than other people because you are a Christian, however, I think goes right in against the call for a lack of self-importance in your very Bible. Jesus didn't think he was the hottest thing going around, so why do a group of his followers think they get to ride the superiority wagon?

Sorry, I'm not a Christian except in the belief that All Religions Are One. I'm a Baha'i' which is sort of a Moslem, though not really. The Baha'i's are the ones that the Moslems hang whenever they can. But I'm really more of a Pantheist. I believe that God is Everything and Much More. And Christianity is currently one of the gentler Religions, that hasn't always been true.

Originally Posted by Leonie

I'd be terrified if there were even the slightest odds she might become my president.

<snip> I was willing to give him a chance, but Sarah Palin... I'm sorry, no. I'm sure she's just like everyone, and that's wonderful, but it doesn't in any way make one a worthy vice-president. <snip>

As always, of course, politics just turns into picking the lesser evil.

As long as you vote.

Personally, from what the Democrats have accomplished in the last two years, and because the financial meltdown isn't really a meltdown at all but the Politicians are beating that drum for all it's worth, and those chickens go home to roost at President Carter's and President Clinton's house, I'll keep watching.

If those twits actually pass that "bailout" we should erect a fence around Washington DC just to keep them from escaping and polluting the gene pool.