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NearokA
04-09-2004, 10:15 PM
So here I am again boys and girls perusing these forums half drunk with a glass of some premium blend crown royale (canadian whiskey) when this thought occured to me, why do I love Keira? That question of asking why, is the very basis for that thing which we call reason. Questioning why to everything and everyone is the whole point of being human. For that very question alone is enough to distinguish our minds from say the mind of a pig, or a cow for that matter. There are no other organisms on this planet that asks themselves, why is it we do the things we do?

So you can see I'm a bit disappointed here. No one on these forums has yet to describe the source of their love for Keira, they have only described the qualities of love. Do you follow me? Let me explain further.

You see, qualities of love are those things we use to describe what love is and what it does to us. For instance: "Keira's soo hot!" This statement is a quality of love. It seeks to explain not why one love's Keira, but an external reason why one love's Keira. Do you see the distinction? Or perhaps this alcohol is starting to work it's way into my brain and I'm thinking a bit slower than normal. Let me try and describe this in more detail with some examples of qualities of love.

1. Keira is the most beautiful woman in the world.

Yeah, yeah. We've all heard this one. But come on, is she really? I'm half drunk here and I can think of women more beautiful. One that crosses my mind at this moment is the wonderful Miss Elizabeth Hurley. Now there's a Brit with gorgeous blue eyes (at least I think they're blue..) with an ass better than most. Now, I certainly would not object to having wild and crazy sex with her, but I don't think I love her. We'll get to the reason why later.

2. Keira has a down-to-earth personality.

O please. If I wanted a girl with a "down-to-earth personality" I'd knock on my neighbor's door and say, "Hey baby, let's get some beers and ice cream and you can tell me all about your wonderful life whilst I get drunk and admire your lovely legs." Notice here I'm telling her to get some beers with me, and not asking her. You see, the subtle difference here is that if you tell a woman to go out and have some beers, she'll comply. But if you ask a woman to go out and have some beers, she'll sit there and think about it. But I digress, let's get back onto the subject. What about a porn star? Now I know most girls here don't have any particular affinity to porn stars, but I do say, they have a very warm, down-to-earth personality. And they know everything and everything about sex. A woman who knows these things with a gorgeous body is a priceless woman indeed and all guys can vouch for that, drunk or not. However, I wouldn't say I love them.

So why do I love Keira you might ask? Well, it's not her everlasting beauty and it's not her personality either. Because, in truth, many women posses these qualities and I certainly wouldn't say I love many women--let's be clear here, just because I don't love them means I wouldn't enjoy loving them (and I use loving here as an action verb :icon_mrgr ). To me, once one has begun to strip himself of all these qualities and get right to the source, there only remains one thing left. Scientifically speaking, one can decribe this thing as a series of chemical reactions that occurs in the brain causing neurons to react in a certain way as to send electric shock pulses throughout the body. This in turn increases heart rate substantially and causes the voice to speak in a hi-pitched tone, sorely lacking any kind of manliness, and when the shock pulses reach the knees, it causes one to fall "head over heels." That is, since most people are very sensitive to sensations just behind the knee cap, when the shock pusles hit those sensitive areas, it causes a tickle sensation. This tickle sensation allows for one to not properly be able to stand on his own two feet.

That's the scientific explaination of love. Let me sum that up by just calling it a feeling. And this feeling occurs, you guessed it, within the first 5 minutes of encounter. And if this feeling does not occur within this time frame, then I'm sorry, you're not in love, you're just in the mood for loving, you know?

So why do I love Keira? Well, I love Keira because I get this feeling everytime I look at a photograph of her. I get this feeling everytime I see her smile, and everytime I hear her voice. And this feeling, I don't get it with other girls. I don't feel it when I'm looking at half naked pictures of Elizabeth Hurly. I don't feel it when I'm watching porn stars do what they do best. I don't even feel it for the girl next door. And so what love becomes is a connection that two people share.

Now, I cannot control whom I love and I don't think anyone can. Love just happens and this feeling can't merely be shut off with a flip of a switch. So, you can think me crazy, you can think me obsessed. I don't care. The truth is, I love you Keira, I love you very much. And I hope one day you'll see it too.

And so my question becomes, why do you love Keira?

MarkOB
04-09-2004, 10:30 PM
Before this thread gets locked (my opinion - I may be wrong - is that the odds are strong on that one) let me say this:

Hear, hear to all you say!!

Renegade
04-09-2004, 10:37 PM
let me say this:

Hear, hear to all you say!!

:icon_conf


Anyway, why I 'love' Keira? Because she is most beautiful woman on the planet and has the most down-to-earth personality.:p

Well I'm not really in love with her. I was infatuated for a good 3 months but now I've settled to just being a fan.

frodo1511
05-09-2004, 01:11 AM
Yeah, I was infatuated with her for the last 2 months(King Arthur) and now have "big-fan"-itis. This will most likely come back up when I see the Jacket;P Basically, just read what nearokA wrote, and I agree.

Narg
05-09-2004, 05:05 AM
So why do I love Keira? Well, I love Keira because I get this feeling everytime I look at a photograph of her. I get this feeling everytime I see her smile, and everytime I hear her voice. And this feeling, I don't get it with other girls. I don't feel it when I'm looking at half naked pictures of Elizabeth Hurly. I don't feel it when I'm watching porn stars do what they do best. I don't even feel it for the girl next door. And so what love becomes is a connection that two people share.


Exactly the same as me.

deviljet88
05-09-2004, 05:09 AM
Used to be infactuated with her, but I've left it all behind. I just like to use her for images on my mobile and computer. I'm more interested in getting the girl next door than Keira. At least she's closer. 'Course, Keira's still the most beautiful woman on the earth.

Spire
05-09-2004, 05:15 AM
Well, she's fucking great, that's why.

Elijahfan
05-09-2004, 05:19 AM
Well, she's fucking great, that's why.

well said.

she's beautiful physically, has great acting capabilities, and is down to earth (from all the interviews) as far as i can tell.

NearokA
05-09-2004, 06:23 AM
-.-a

I wonder if you guys read my post at all or just....

:icon_spam

lol.

I was asking what is the source of your love for Keira and not merely a quality of love you feel for Keira.

deviljet88
05-09-2004, 06:52 AM
If you read other people's posts, you'll notice the answer to: "And so my question becomes, why do you love Keira?" written between the lines, or maybe just at the very end. For example mine...

"Used to be infactuated with her, but I've left it all behind. I just like to use her for images on my mobile and computer. I'm more interested in getting the girl next door than Keira. At least she's closer. 'Course, Keira's still the most beautiful woman on the earth."

Last line, there's your answer :) Though, I'm glad you noticed most of us spammed without reading one of the longest posts written by a non-officer/mod/admin.

Keyser_so_so
05-09-2004, 04:31 PM
Well, NearokA, I think that was a enlightening and interesting thought you started this thread with. Cheers for making me feel like there are others!

NearokA
05-09-2004, 05:50 PM
No no. Jet you're okay.

Some of you guys just lost that luvin feeling. That's fine. I was refering to those that still do love Keira. You can't just say, "omfg, she's so hot!" and expect me to believe that you do in fact actually love her. Why? Because all you can do is state qualities of love. These qualities of love can be used to describe any woman, so there really is no point in saying that's the reason why one loves Keira.

I was just saying beneath all these qualities, what's the source of your love. Is it the same as me? Do you have something different? That source better be something that cannot merely just describe any woman.

To Keyser/Narg: There are others that love Keira! :D But you guys share the same feeling as I do. Are there any others that love Keira but have a different reason?

Richard
05-09-2004, 06:03 PM
I was never obsessed, just interested. During that phase, sometimes I just drifted away and imagined what it would be like talking to her, being in the same room as her, and what's the first thing I would say to her if I had the chance. Simple shit like that, nothing major.

Now I hardly think of her. I don't love her, I don't think I ever did. But I know it doesn't make me any less of a fan.

NearokA
10-09-2004, 07:58 AM
It seems to me that many forumgoers do not love Keira in that way as no one has yet to explain why. I wonder, is this a Keira fansite or a general discussion forum?

Do people come here to discuss issues or merely satisfied with discussing topics like: if you could pick the hottest piece of ass, who would have it?

Liam
10-09-2004, 10:43 AM
Its a Keira fan site.

A lot of people here went through a 'oh my shit, I'm in love with Keira' phase, but they got over it. You just have to dig.

Narg
10-09-2004, 02:46 PM
It seems to me that many forumgoers do not love Keira in that way as no one has yet to explain why. I wonder, is this a Keira fansite or a general discussion forum?

Do people come here to discuss issues or merely satisfied with discussing topics like: if you could pick the hottest piece of ass, who would have it?

Dont worry, i thought exactly the same thing when i joined these forums, and seen some of the mods actually bagging her out on irc, i was shocked and appauled :P, but they all still like her, enjoy looking at pictures of her, their all still fans, they have just settled down a bit. You will too, And so will I.

NearokA
10-09-2004, 05:23 PM
We shall see Narg.

Foeni
20-09-2004, 09:37 AM
I just read NearokA's recent posts...
I feel exactly the same way... Some kind of love, but it's quite hard to explain, why I love her...
But you are doing it quite good, NearokA!

NearokA
20-09-2004, 04:05 PM
I just read NearokA's recent posts...
I feel exactly the same way... Some kind of love, but it's quite hard to explain, why I love her...
But you are doing it quite good, NearokA!

That's the spirit man! Now if we could just keep posting more relavant topics in this forum, we'd be set!

Narzys
20-09-2004, 09:52 PM
Nearoka I think you just bescribed the difference between : Desire & Love.
But I must still say: "lovely text" :)

NinjaTurtleRocky
21-09-2004, 04:48 AM
all i can say is


DITTO


to the entire first post

DragonRat
21-09-2004, 05:20 PM
I've been here for over a year, and I still see the same effect that Keira gives to new and old fans alike. My infatuatory phase lasted for about 6 months, but I've been more or less entrenched by the horrible staff of this place. Bollocks to their good will and easygoing personalities!

But why did I first like Keira? Because she reminded me of Natalie Portman...with a British accent. And she's got these eyes that light up, and this smile that kills. Or something like that. Not in the mood for metaphor.

Edward
24-09-2004, 05:54 PM
wow, that is 1 hell of a long post

no time to read, but if you're all agreeing with it......

Foeni
24-09-2004, 06:06 PM
wow, that is 1 hell of a long post

no time to read, but if you're all agreeing with it......

What excactly is your point?

NearokA
24-09-2004, 06:14 PM
I've been here for over a year, and I still see the same effect that Keira gives to new and old fans alike. My infatuatory phase lasted for about 6 months, but I've been more or less entrenched by the horrible staff of this place. Bollocks to their good will and easygoing personalities!

But why did I first like Keira? Because she reminded me of Natalie Portman...with a British accent. And she's got these eyes that light up, and this smile that kills. Or something like that. Not in the mood for metaphor.

Yeah, just this other day, I overheard two british girls talking. So sexy. I really love their accents. I mean, they weren't particularly beautiful, but when they were talking, I was melting. I also like french accents too. So, how long do you estimate my infatuatory phase will last?

Foeni
24-09-2004, 06:19 PM
So, how long do you estimate my infatuatory phase will last?

The way you talk about her in your threads/posts => Until she disappoints you in person!

Just my guess :)
I guess I will always like her.. Maybe not the same way through all times of my life, and perhaps in some periods I won't like her that much, but I will always like her!

NearokA
24-09-2004, 06:21 PM
The way you talk about her in your threads/posts => Until she disappoints you in person!

I couldn't have said it better. YEAH!

Foeni
24-09-2004, 06:24 PM
Well, plz join my just-started club :)
I feel excactly the same way you do. At least, that's what I conclude from your post...

Tabs
26-09-2004, 09:52 AM
Yeah, just this other day, I overheard two british girls talking. So sexy. I really love their accents. I mean, they weren't particularly beautiful, but when they were talking, I was melting. I also like french accents too. So, how long do you estimate my infatuatory phase will last?

The accents around the UK change so much . If you heard two girls from a different part of the country ( up north ) , then you wouldn't think it was sexy at all :icon_surp *expects trouble* Keira has a fine accent which is no doubt been trained a little by posh schools . Not all British accents sound like that . Mine dosn't .

deviljet88
26-09-2004, 10:30 AM
You can't say how crap your own accent sounds. I mean Australian blokes never found their accent to be attractive until they're told by fasinated foreign women. I'm sure you have a lovely voice Tabs :P But British accent is awesome, and it perfectly fits Keira. I normally associate American accents with a typical American hottie, not a beauty like Keira.

Liam
26-09-2004, 01:33 PM
My accent is arse. Nobody understands me at work.

deviljet88
26-09-2004, 01:38 PM
Hasn't any English chick gone up to you about your English accent yet? Maybe those stories are all just tales...

Liam
26-09-2004, 01:40 PM
Only in bars, but I already spent far too much giving myself liver problems. The worst bit is answering the spider/shark/snake questions again and again and again and fucking again.

It gets tiresome after a while.
'Have you ever seen a shark?'
'Yes, I have seen a shark.'
'Wow, what did you do?'
'Got out of the water.'

Meh.

deviljet88
26-09-2004, 02:20 PM
Aren't you supposed to encourage their generalisations, and go, "I swam out the shark with my bone knife, let it circle me, and then when it charged, I gutted it with my knife by its own momentum. And then its guts spewed out everywhere, and then more sharks attracted by the blood and guts came, and I gutted them too." Also tell them red back spiders are no harder to kill than a normal spider.

Liam
26-09-2004, 03:16 PM
I used to indulge them at first, but even that got boring. At the least the stories should cut down on the number of European tourists to our fair shores :D

Dyce_Blue
26-09-2004, 03:40 PM
Hasn't any English chick gone up to you about your English accent yet? Maybe those stories are all just tales...

One time I was on the forum at my friend's dorm, and I played that clip of your voice from when you were messing with your microphone.

My friend's "girlfriend" was in the room, and she heard it also. She said something like "that is the hottest voice I've ever heard, play it again."

I bet if Jet comes to the US he can get some from lonely college girls.

frodo1511
26-09-2004, 08:03 PM
I bet if Jet comes to the US he can get some from lonely college girls.[/COLOR]


Absolutley. Jet's a pimp.

deviljet88
27-09-2004, 03:24 AM
One time I was on the forum at my friend's dorm, and I played that clip of your voice from when you were messing with your microphone.

My friend's "girlfriend" was in the room, and she heard it also. She said something like "that is the hottest voice I've ever heard, play it again."

I bet if Jet comes to the US he can get some from lonely college girls.
Did you bother telling her its some kid that's only 14? :P

acliff
27-09-2004, 07:48 AM
Jet the toyboy. You've been shaping up well :P

Keira doesn't even have a normal middle class english accent anymore. Its hugely stylised in the Hollywood vocal coach kind of way. Its exaggerated to a level where to me now, its irritating to hear her speak, and how she says it.

Rewind back to the hole, where she sounded a lot better, alot more natural. Especially in the interviews.

NearokA, your obsession will end only when you're living in a padded room, in a straight jacket.

seventhson
27-09-2004, 04:36 PM
NaerokA,
If you are asking "why" I love Keira, or the source of my love for Kiera, then my answer must be the same as for why I love you, why I love my wife, why I love my daughter, why I love my mother, why I love the person who delivers the mail to my mailbox and why I love those who disrespect me, or are unkind to me in this forum. The source of all human love, spirtual, civil, or romantic,...to infinity... is God the almighty Father. I won't get into the more than half dozen types or definitions, nor am I qualified to, or is this forum the appropriate place to have a discussion about all the types of love that humans have tried to label for thousands of years.
I try not to question love. I appreciate it, relish in it and try to give it more than I expect ro receive it. Why? I dunno...I just do.

Peace,
(-: SeventhSon :-)

NearokA
27-09-2004, 04:46 PM
NaerokA,
If you are asking "why" I love Keira, or the source of my love for Kiera, then my answer must be the same as for why I love you, why I love my wife, why I love my daughter, why I love my mother, why I love the person who delivers the mail to my mailbox and why I love those who disrespect me, or are unkind to me in this forum. The source of all human love, spirtual, civil, or romantic,...to infinity... is God the almighty Father. I won't get into the more than half dozen types or definitions, nor am I qualified to, or is this forum the appropriate place to have a discussion about all the types of love that humans have tried to label for thousands of years.
I try not to question love. I appreciate it, relish in it and try to give it more than I expect ro receive it. Why? I dunno...I just do.

Peace,
(-: SeventhSon :-)

Hm, that's actually the most interesting thing anyone has posted in this thread. But if you label all your sources of love to God, then it's a question of whether he exists or not. He can't be proven to exist or not exist from everything that I read against and for religon (damn His elusiveness!), so I suppose one can pick one or the other and see what happens in the end.

Thanks man. And I love you too :), before you die, I hope you find the God you're looking for. Oh, and if you feel the need to argue of 1000's of years of love, feel free too. Worst case scenario is someone just locking this thread, which isn't a big deal. I'll just make another :D.

DragonRat
27-09-2004, 09:07 PM
I don't suppose any of you have read The Four Loves by C.S. Lewis?

peach
27-09-2004, 09:40 PM
I haven't what is it about?

DragonRat
28-09-2004, 12:27 AM
Lewis describes all relationships into four types of love: storge, eros, philos, and agape. Storge is affection; eros is romance; philos is friendship; and agape is God's love for His creations. And agape tends to enhance all the other loves.

Scott
02-10-2004, 12:24 PM
Doesn't matter where you are in the world, most women go weak at the knees when they hear the Aussie Accent.
I'm a bit of a bogan, so I've got the really strong accent. When I was in Europe last year, lots of women were talking to me, they just love hearing my voice. They can't possibly like me, I look like I've been hit in the face with a sledge hammer.


But back on topic, I guess the reason why I like Keira Knightley is purely to do with hormones. I'm 17 afterall. :icon_conf

Liam
02-10-2004, 03:12 PM
Bogans unite.

hasselbrad
02-10-2004, 03:32 PM
That accent coming out of a "sheila" (boy I hope I used that right) has about the same affect. I was watching Insomniac from Tokyo the other night, and Dave Attell was talking to this girl from Australia. Wow! Plus, she looked a bit like Keira's older sister, with lighter hair and a larger bosom. *shivers*

Jasper
02-10-2004, 03:55 PM
I don't suppose any of you have read The Four Loves by C.S. Lewis?

Heh, I've read that.

NearokA
02-10-2004, 06:00 PM
Bogans unite.

Liam, what are Bogans?

Scott
03-10-2004, 06:41 AM
Country folk really. Wear flannel shirts, have mullets, wear mocassins.

Liam
03-10-2004, 11:24 AM
Mocassins and/or Wellies. In town. In the pub. In the ladies lounge.

Horrifying.

Scott
04-10-2004, 12:34 PM
Comfort>Style

It's what being a bogan is all about!

maximus
08-01-2005, 06:32 PM
she's "just" a godess...

Narg
09-01-2005, 01:42 AM
Liam, what are Bogans?

Re: Me.

danidrag
11-01-2005, 09:58 PM
Well, she's so smart... and, mates, imho she's got CLASS!!!!!
Really, she's the perfect combination of beauty, class and, as you say, "down-to-earth" personality.
She's GREAT GREAT GREAT!
Fallen in love the first time I saw her.
What else?

mk 2.0
13-01-2005, 03:08 AM
IF you guys are drawn to KK so much...what is stopping you from chasing her azz down. posting stuff on a forum gets you like a milimeter closer, that is if you shift your chair in the direction of KK's location, LOL

oh well

PEACE

deviljet88
13-01-2005, 03:44 AM
That's called stalking.

MikaS
21-03-2005, 07:22 PM
You couldn't be more right than this... even if you were half drunk.

Foeni
21-03-2005, 08:10 PM
OMG, NearokA's thread has been brought back to life (temporarily I guess).

hannahjane
21-03-2005, 09:29 PM
Well seeing as this thread has, apparently, been bumped, I see no reason why I shouldn't contribute and bump it further ;). That actually sounds rather rude but...(or is that my immaturity rearing its petulant head again ;)), anyway what I want to say, and what will probably undermine the whole ideology and ethos of this thread, is that I don't believe (and obviously I'm not saying I'm correct, or that I know), but I honestly don't believe that anyone who says they love Keira on this thread actually LOVE Keira, at all.

I don't think people lie, just that their preconception of what they're feeling is distorted. People may indeed be in lust with Keira, or find her so attractive they'd like very much to indulge in a spot of S&M complete with whips and leather (immaturity folks) :p, but I find it utterly ludicrous to imply that you LOVE someone you've:
a) Never seen in the flesh, so to speak
b) Never spoken too
c) Never touched.

I'm actually really interested in love, and the theory of love - and the dimensions which it consists of. In fact, I'm actually currently conducting research into it, and what we (the general people as a whole) define as love. In fact, I would really appreciate it if you guys at KKWavefront could help out, if I posted a thread in the General Discussion Forum linking to my research questionaire I would be ecstatic if you guys could take out the time to do. It's an independant study, but I'm kinda doing it with one of my tutors at present. I'll update with that, and when it's finished you all can see the results if you want (I'll post on me site). I'm really intrigued by everyone's opinion on love. But I'm rambling now....

Yeah, back to the point, I think I've said earlier that hindsight is a wonderful thing - and I know I've been having feelings about people and have thought "oh my god, I'm in love", and later you shake your head and laugh and realise I soooo wasn't in love, merely blinded by lust. (Especially when you really do fall in love with someone, and the other person who you thought you were in love with doesn't even compare to them). There are so many dimensions of love, and it really is the strongest emotion/substance in the world at present, and I think that lust is an element of love - but I don't think that lust on it's own is anywhere near as powerful as love; although it could be a stepping stone to the real thing.

I'm noticing how I'm finding it really hard to make my point here, and that's because I haven't really decided (like I say my research is on-going), so sorry for really badly rambling. I do apologise.

Elijahfan
21-03-2005, 09:39 PM
i'm not even going to read this....but i'm guessing it's the same "I LOVE KEIRA" thread

crap...my attachment was cool but it's too big

Digital_Ice
21-03-2005, 09:42 PM
hey, id be up for answering a research thingy. sounds like an interesting idea. you'd have to tell us your results of course.

while i agree almost completly with your love/lust comments, i feel that it is possible to love someone you have never met. umm... how do i explain my reasoning.. ooh this dictionary thing sums it up quite well:

(1) An intense affectionate concern for another person.
(2) An intense sexual desire for another person.
(3) A beloved person.
(4) Term of endearment.
(5) A strong fondness or en*thusiasm for something.

love doesn't have to be returned for it to be love.

however, having said that, i do feel that this "love" to which we are talking about keira in this thread, is different, and is lust as you defined it. either that or its love as no 5 "A strong fondness or en*thusiasm for something".

ok, im rambling, and im not getting my point across clearly, mainly due to how rubbish i am with english!! so i'll shut up.

hannahjane
21-03-2005, 10:03 PM
hey, id be up for answering a research thingy. sounds like an interesting idea. you'd have to tell us your results of course.

while i agree almost completly with your love/lust comments, i feel that it is possible to love someone you have never met. umm... how do i explain my reasoning.. ooh this dictionary thing sums it up quite well:

(1) An intense affectionate concern for another person.
(2) An intense sexual desire for another person.
(3) A beloved person.
(4) Term of endearment.
(5) A strong fondness or en*thusiasm for something.

love doesn't have to be returned for it to be love.

however, having said that, i do feel that this "love" to which we are talking about keira in this thread, is different, and is lust as you defined it. either that or its love as no 5 "A strong fondness or en*thusiasm for something".

ok, im rambling, and im not getting my point across clearly, mainly due to how rubbish i am with english!! so i'll shut up.

No, don't shut-up at all. I agree entirely with what you say. Especially "love doesn't have to be returned for it to be love", indeed unrequited love - whereby the feelings are not reciprocated, may be one of the strongest forms of all.

You'll notice however that the no.5 definition you included there was directed at "something" though, as opposed to "someone" (a la Keira). I have a strong enthusiasm for Literature, for example, I love it - but I don't love it in the way that I do love someone in my life at the moment.

I think perhaps the feelings some members have towards Keira are feelings of endearment, or feelings of liking. Lust or infatuation or obsession are other theories. Like I say, I believe there are so many dimensions of love, so many forms it can take - so many components of which it consists of. I love my friends but that's commitment and that's intimacy, not say, passion or sexual desire. I don't know (hopefully I will soon!) - I see it as there are many different forms of love (eg. Friendship or Consumate Love), each form of which is made up of different components (eg. Liking, commitment, intimacy or in the case of CL; passion, intimacy, commitement, sexual arosal etc).

I'm glad your intrigued by the study; I'll try and get that up ASAP. I'd love (lol) any feedback. I warn you though it would be long, and probably simplistic so as to achieve the best results.

Digital_Ice
21-03-2005, 10:11 PM
kewl, i look forward to it. length is unimportant to me, its not like i dont have enough spare time on my hands!

i will add more to this discussion when i can think of it.. right now i need a drink. :icon_guin:

graham7771
23-03-2005, 10:20 PM
thanks nearoKA i think i have a better understanding of love since i read your script. very very nice script :)

graham7771
23-03-2005, 10:28 PM
No, don't shut-up at all. I agree entirely with what you say. Especially "love doesn't have to be returned for it to be love", indeed unrequited love - whereby the feelings are not reciprocated, may be one of the strongest forms of all.

You'll notice however that the no.5 definition you included there was directed at "something" though, as opposed to "someone" (a la Keira). I have a strong enthusiasm for Literature, for example, I love it - but I don't love it in the way that I do love someone in my life at the moment.

I think perhaps the feelings some members have towards Keira are feelings of endearment, or feelings of liking. Lust or infatuation or obsession are other theories. Like I say, I believe there are so many dimensions of love, so many forms it can take - so many components of which it consists of. I love my friends but that's commitment and that's intimacy, not say, passion or sexual desire. I don't know (hopefully I will soon!) - I see it as there are many different forms of love (eg. Friendship or Consumate Love), each form of which is made up of different components (eg. Liking, commitment, intimacy or in the case of CL; passion, intimacy, commitement, sexual arosal etc).

I'm glad your intrigued by the study; I'll try and get that up ASAP. I'd love (lol) any feedback. I warn you though it would be long, and probably simplistic so as to achieve the best results.I think you are right about different types of love. The Ancient Greeks divided it into i think 3 kinds of love i think this is how it goes.

(1) family
(2) friends
(3) true love (as in what you were talking about)

Azwok
26-03-2005, 02:00 PM
Having read what NearokA said and having taken time to appreciate it and let it sink in, I found myself in disagreement with one of the points made, which in turn led to conflict with the entire argument.

I can't deny what NearokA said about why he loves Keira, and how everytime he looks at a photo of her or hears her voice he gets this feeling that is unique. I share similar experiences with this. However for me there is one simple reason for this, at least i hope it's this reason, that Keira is, to me, the most beautiful woman I have seen. This for me is the sole reason as to why I love Keira. Whilst I have to admit the love I talk of must be a very superficial one, seing as it is based on looks alone, me never having met Keira. So when you see me speak of my love for Keira, its not the deep meaning full love that couples who have been married 30 years share, but this more artificial love. (Wow, that really was hard to admit).

If I felt that there were better looking women, I would be posting this message on their fan sites but I can't think of a women better looking than Keira, dont get me wrong, there are other great looking women out there, but for me Keira tops the list, and that I think is where NearokA and me disagree. So why do I love Keira? She's the most beautiful women I have seen. And if that be a quality of love, and I be shallow, then shallow I shall be for I can't think of a better reason to love Keira. :icon_smil

hannahjane
26-03-2005, 08:56 PM
Having read what NearokA said and having taken time to appreciate it and let it sink in, I found myself in disagreement with one of the points made, which in turn led to conflict with the entire argument.

I can't deny what NearokA said about why he loves Keira, and how everytime he looks at a photo of her or hears her voice he gets this feeling that is unique. I share similar experiences with this. However for me there is one simple reason for this, at least i hope it's this reason, that Keira is, to me, the most beautiful woman I have seen. This for me is the sole reason as to why I love Keira. Whilst I have to admit the love I talk of must be a very superficial one, seing as it is based on looks alone, me never having met Keira. So when you see me speak of my love for Keira, its not the deep meaning full love that couples who have been married 30 years share, but this more artificial love. (Wow, that really was hard to admit).

If I felt that there were better looking women, I would be posting this message on their fan sites but I can't think of a women better looking than Keira, dont get me wrong, there are other great looking women out there, but for me Keira tops the list, and that I think is where NearokA and me disagree. So why do I love Keira? She's the most beautiful women I have seen. And if that be a quality of love, and I be shallow, then shallow I shall be for I can't think of a better reason to love Keira. :icon_smil

It's interesting what you have hadto say....but I wouldn't call that love. I'd call that lust. But I understand what you've said.

Keyser_so_so
26-03-2005, 09:10 PM
I probably have lust defined wrong in my head, but doesn't mean a sexual want? I don't think it's possible to love someone without even meeting them, so I agree with you there hannahjane- but for me it's not what I define as lust. Because I've never thought about sex with Keira.

However, I don't think there's actually anything else to call it. It's like a crush- but more advanced. But not love, of course- because I've never met her. That, I presume, is the situation everyone else that 'loves' Keira is in as well as I.

Azwok
26-03-2005, 11:32 PM
I think what hannahjane has said is true, I used love a bit inappropriately. However I'm not so sure that it's a lust for Keira that I have. As Keyser said lust being a sexual want it does not tie in with how I feel about Keira:

For me there is a difference between being beautiful and being sexy. The idea of beauty is something that can be applied not only to women, i.e. statues, paintings, having said that being sexy is not only applied to women it can be losely applied to other things aswell. I find Keira beautiful rather than sexy and it's for this reason that I like her. As Keyser said he's never thought about sex with Keira, and I know exactly what he means. I sometimes find myself staring at pictures of Keira for excessive periods of time admiring the photo and her beauty but I don't think of her in a sexual way.

So I'm not sure if I would describe the way I feel about Keira as a lust, but then again as to what I would describe it I have no idea. This is getting increasingly harder to define- this feeling that does not fall into the catergory of love but is not quite lust. As you can see from my ramblings i'm getting rather depressed, a feeling so distinct but yet so hard to define, its very frustrating. :icon_roll

From reading this thread and specifically what Keyser had to say about that matter I get the impression that the way I feel about Keira is not uncommon:

So is this just a crush, an infatuation that I am describing?

hannahjane
27-03-2005, 01:23 AM
I think what hannahjane has said is true, I used love a bit inappropriately. However I'm not so sure that it's a lust for Keira that I have. As Keyser said lust being a sexual want it does not tie in with how I feel about Keira:

For me there is a difference between being beautiful and being sexy. The idea of beauty is something that can be applied not only to women, i.e. statues, paintings, having said that being sexy is not only applied to women it can be losely applied to other things aswell. I find Keira beautiful rather than sexy and it's for this reason that I like her. As Keyser said he's never thought about sex with Keira, and I know exactly what he means. I sometimes find myself staring at pictures of Keira for excessive periods of time admiring the photo and her beauty but I don't think of her in a sexual way.

So I'm not sure if I would describe the way I feel about Keira as a lust, but then again as to what I would describe it I have no idea. This is getting increasingly harder to define- this feeling that does not fall into the catergory of love but is not quite lust. As you can see from my ramblings i'm getting rather depressed, a feeling so distinct but yet so hard to define, its very frustrating. :icon_roll

From reading this thread and specifically what Keyser had to say about that matter I get the impression that the way I feel about Keira is not uncommon:

So is this just a crush, an infatuation that I am describing?

I believe so, and not in a bad way. I used to have this obsession, infatuation if you will, and I'm a straight girl. Never had any gay/bisexual feelings whatsoever. I guess, I just really really liked her. And I truly believe that's all it is, with the majority of people on these boards - and I say it, as I've been there myself. However I no longer feel like that about Keira at all, it was just a phase - I'm sure you'll find (no matter how strong your feelings for her now seem to be), that your attitude towards her too is just a phase.

I'm in love now, and it really does put it into perspective all the other feelings that you've had and assumed at the time where love - when in most cases they are forms of lust, infatuation, intense liking or obsession. Love is indeed complex, and I don't believe in that old cliche that "you just know" when you fall in love - you don't; not immediately at least. It took me a while to work out the feelings I have for this person at present, and it is only now I release that I love them. And, simultaneously, it is only now that I realise all those other "loves" I felt were not loves at all. I'm sure other people can relate to what I'm saying here.

Ok, so maybe "lust" wasn't the correct word to describe what you and Keyser are feeling (although I know a few people on this forum who it would describe ;)), I'd say that what you have for Keira is an intense liking, which in all possibility - considering that you will almost certainly never speak to her, touch her or see her physically, will pass with time. I don't say this in a criticising, patronising way - just speaking from experience. I don't think love can be defined (although I'm contradicting myself there considering I'm currently conducting research study into it); so I don't think you should ever be ashamed of your feelings for someone. Either way, it is till absolutely my believe that it is an impossibility to love someone you've never met physically.

mike
27-03-2005, 01:37 AM
Either way, it is till absolutely my believe that it is an impossibility to love someone you've never met physically.

it can happen i fell in love with a girl i met on the net and she fell in love with me. we spent almost 8hrs a day talking to each other on the phone or net then after meeting and going out for a year she became my fiance! but we were both in love befor we met physicly. it might sound stupid to some people but it can happen

just thought id add that

deviljet88
27-03-2005, 03:12 AM
Apparently NearokA hasn't been around KKW since last year. Disagreeing with HJ here: "Either way, it is till absolutely my believe that it is an impossibility to love someone you've never met physically." For Keira's case, the problem of course is she doesn't know who the hell you are, whereas, say in Mike's case, they know of each other and actually communicate. My immature two cents.

hannahjane
27-03-2005, 11:35 AM
Apparently NearokA hasn't been around KKW since last year. Disagreeing with HJ here: "Either way, it is till absolutely my believe that it is an impossibility to love someone you've never met physically." For Keira's case, the problem of course is she doesn't know who the hell you are, whereas, say in Mike's case, they know of each other and actually communicate. My immature two cents.

I don't love Keira! I assume you refer to those that have said they do. Anyway no,I'm sticking to my guns. I appreciate very much that mike went out with this girl for a year, and I have no doubt that they were in love.

However, I simply CANNOT believe you can fall in love without, I dunno, seeing them smile, seeing their eyes light up when they do smile....touching them, talking to them....sharing a joke with them, having an argument with them! It sounds cheesy, but seriously, now, I don't agree with internet love and all that, is just my opinion. I guess I'm not gonna comment on nash's situation because he is an utter dude (:D) and I believe that what he says he feels is true, so....

Dionysus
27-03-2005, 01:48 PM
it can happen i fell in love with a girl i met on the net and she fell in love with me. we spent almost 8hrs a day talking to each other on the phone or net then after meeting and going out for a year she became my fiance! but we were both in love befor we met physicly. it might sound stupid to some people but it can happen

yeah but you talked to her "8 hrs a day" none of us have talked to keira for 8 hrs (though i know we all would love to) so its pretty diffrent, i see what your saying though that there doesnt need to be physical contact to make a conection with someone, but there needs to be some kind of personal contact between 2 people, not just 1 infatuated by another without their knowledge (like the members of this forum)

I think what hannahjane has said is true, I used love a bit inappropriately. However I'm not so sure that it's a lust for Keira that I have. As Keyser said lust being a sexual want it does not tie in with how I feel about Keira:

For me there is a difference between being beautiful and being sexy. The idea of beauty is something that can be applied not only to women, i.e. statues, paintings, having said that being sexy is not only applied to women it can be losely applied to other things aswell. I find Keira beautiful rather than sexy and it's for this reason that I like her. As Keyser said he's never thought about sex with Keira, and I know exactly what he means. I sometimes find myself staring at pictures of Keira for excessive periods of time admiring the photo and her beauty but I don't think of her in a sexual way.

So I'm not sure if I would describe the way I feel about Keira as a lust, but then again as to what I would describe it I have no idea. This is getting increasingly harder to define- this feeling that does not fall into the catergory of love but is not quite lust. As you can see from my ramblings i'm getting rather depressed, a feeling so distinct but yet so hard to define, its very frustrating. :icon_roll

From reading this thread and specifically what Keyser had to say about that matter I get the impression that the way I feel about Keira is not uncommon:

So is this just a crush, an infatuation that I am describing?

yeah i feel pretty much the same way, have you been reading my mind :D

i dunno what you would call it but its neither love or lust, perhaps we should make up a word for it? :)

deviljet88
27-03-2005, 02:01 PM
An unrequited love. Quite depressing buggers they are.

Azwok
27-03-2005, 02:57 PM
It's very refreshing and re-assuring to have people reply and actually know what I'm talking about. Especially hannahjane and Dionysus. Aquired a greater understanding of my feelings for Keira I have, ;). Thankyou.

Oo, and Dionysus lets do make a new word for it, any sugestions?

Evan25
19-04-2005, 12:22 AM
I 'love ' her because she is very talented and hot and is quite frankly a nice subject to dwell on during my High School Relogion Class.

Evan25
19-04-2005, 12:24 AM
Also Instead of love or lust i would use "passion" ans a good description for most ppl's feelings

wayne09
19-04-2005, 04:08 PM
Originally Posted by Azwok
[...]I sometimes find myself staring at pictures of Keira for excessive periods of time admiring the photo and her beauty but I don't think of her in a sexual way.


Well, that's impossible. If you call this love, you must have thought about sex with her, because sex and love go together.
Aside from that, I thought there couldn't be any real love without having met physically the person in question (and somehow I still do)... but yet I'm afraid I was wrong and it is happening to me. I mean although I've been "knowing" her for 2 years (that's quite long), I'm still keen on her, I've been trying to send her letters (without success..), I can't stop thinking of her all day long, and there's many other things I won't say... I don't know if you can call this love, but still what I feel is real, and quite painful I must say. Honest conclusion : I must be a bloody loser!!!
Now I just want to ask a question to those who pretend to love her : would any of you die for her?

PS: I don't think you can call this passion either..

deviljet88
20-04-2005, 01:00 AM
1. No I wouldn't die for her.
2. Don't double post, edit your previous one.
3. W00t this thread never dies...

Evan25
21-04-2005, 01:12 AM
Well what would You call it?

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A powerful emotion, such as love, joy, hatred, or anger.
<LI type=a>Ardent love. <LI type=a>Strong sexual desire; lust.
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If anythuing I would call it a really long crush.

DragonRat
21-04-2005, 02:35 AM
Infatuation, I'd call it. It's hard for one to truly feel passionate about another, if they do not know each other; passion, I'd probably say, is more developed through a sole understanding of someone or something, by peering into its deepest truths and relinquishing oneself to the awesomeness of one's discovery.

Most fans are probably lusting after Keira (the good ol' Spank Bank). I, for one, didn't really lust after Keira, as I more did place her on a pedestal and wrote poems about an illusionary love (ah, young, impetuous, unrequited love). And some of you enjoy her films, are captivated by her subtle yet statuesque form, like the British accent, find her just the right type, and whatever other reasons you support her.

I think Chris Rock said it best: "If you haven't thought about killing someone, it ain't love."

Pygmalion
25-04-2005, 11:27 PM
S'true what you say Dragonrat, how can you love someone you've never met? To truly love someone you have to know and adore every facet of their personality as well as their flaws.
How many in this forum can say they know Keira like that?

Evan25
28-04-2005, 01:23 AM
ITS A CRUSH


Honestly have you guys not like a girl form school you know nothing about? I would call it a crush... A wild fantasy.
I also think we can call it love because sine we know nothing about her when we fantasize about her its our "Version" of her. But then if it our "version" of her she really isnt Keira, she just has the same name and face.

Azwok
30-04-2005, 12:31 PM
Evan,

I don't quite think its a crush that many of us have (I'm hoping that people feel the same way as me :icon_wink) . Heres my redifined version of why I like Keira (having tried to come up with the right word and given this much thought, (apologies in advance for future rambling)):

I like Keira because she is beautiful, but before you go assuming that I also think her sexy and want to marry (not that I dont want to), I find her beautiful in the same way that I find Tiziano Vecelli's, "Venus d'Urbino" beautiful or one of Lawarence Ferlinghetti's satirical poems beautiful. So like I said in one of my earlier posts I don't think of her in a sexual way, and so hence I think its more of an admiration for Keira that I have rather than a crush or an infatuation.

Anybody else know what I mean? Or found a better word yet? :)

Evan25
01-05-2005, 12:42 AM
I would still call it a Crush, not lusting or love because lusting seems that you only want sex but love is a little overboard. You know what I mean?

Like when you have a crush on some girl you realy dont know anything baout you just want to go out with her?

jadie
10-05-2005, 12:43 AM
hmm well i think these kind of feelings can be divided into 3 general groups (if anybody can think of another group feel free to add)

Infatuation - - - Crush - - - Love

:icon_conf

all are pretty confusing in their own ways. i doubt anybody here really LOVES Keira, but i can see people having a crush or an infatuation.

JackYang
10-05-2005, 12:18 PM
lol definitely a crush. No way that that's "love".

Evan25
11-05-2005, 01:00 AM
I would'nt call it lust thogh because its more like a sexual desire. Not that I would mind it but... I just think its a little overboard. I doubt that many fans are fans because they just want to have sex with her even if it is a large portion of the fantasys. Think of it this way, she really does'nt have mush cleavage, or booty, so If people were looking for a fun time in bed they would move on. But she does have one of the most appeaing faces I have seen in a celebrity, so naturaly we are drawn in by her face and eyes to forming our own fantasys about her and so It just becomes a crush.

Azwok
11-05-2005, 07:14 PM
I would'nt call it lust thogh because its more like a sexual desire. Not that I would mind it but... I just think its a little overboard. I doubt that many fans are fans because they just want to have sex with her even if it is a large portion of the fantasys. Think of it this way, she really does'nt have mush cleavage, or booty, so If people were looking for a fun time in bed they would move on. But she does have one of the most appeaing faces I have seen in a celebrity, so naturaly we are drawn in by her face and eyes to forming our own fantasys about her and so It just becomes a crush.

...and here I thought Evan and I disagreed about why we liked Keira and what we would call it. Above is a perfect description of what I think towards Keira, nice one Evan.:)

Evan25
18-05-2005, 01:05 AM
I wonder what Keiras really like? I mean I know shes all down to earth but I wonder how she thinks?


Also, while reading old post I cant help seeing a relation between how we think of Keira and how the fictional people of Middle Earth viewed Arwen in the Lord of the Rings, I am a big lord of the rings fan and i see many relationships between the books and modern time, but this one seems most prominent.

Evan25
20-05-2005, 12:34 AM
Some one Please post something

Mags
20-05-2005, 04:36 AM
no. For the love of all that is holy and my own personal sanity, do not.

Digital_Ice
20-05-2005, 09:24 AM
Some one Please lock his thread!!!
will it ever die?

michael22
28-05-2005, 03:39 AM
I love Keira for keira. Ever since i saw her (first on Dr. zhivago) she has haunted my dreams. her deep intellectual eyes sent me into a pool of bliss and I knew blackness and a vision of Keira and me out on a date, (asleep in a blend of bliss and exhaustion, (well hey it was 4:00 am and Dr. Zhivago) untill I woke up. Ever since then i have loved her from afar loving every inch of her. Every time I see her I think Iwill die contently at that moment.


though I love Keira I will acquiesce that it is hopless that we will ever be together so I have moved on and now have a diverted my attentions elsewhere. I but would'nt it be nice if every deserving person had a day to spend with Keira in our own fashion

Keyser_so_so
28-05-2005, 09:14 PM
I wonder what Keiras really like? I mean I know shes all down to earth but I wonder how she thinks?

Well, her thoughts in reading this thread would probably be something along the lines of: "This is freaky," and after a bit... "I really shouldn't read anymore of thi- euuuuurgh!" and then quickly closing the window.


Meanwhile, in the Orlando Bloom residence, whilst browsing a similar thread on an OB website, he would be saying to himself-
"My god, I'm beautiful. I'm so glad I can pore over these love notes to me... It gives me... reason..." and then opens the window to let some air in, forgetting he'll hear shrieks of ladies outside. "Life is a pain." He mutters as he shuts the window and goes to admire himself in the bathroom.


Sorry, that was rather random. Still, it might* be true.


*read: is very unlikely to

Evan25
30-05-2005, 01:25 AM
Why would she be freaked out? I mean any random person would but she gets it all the time, and its not like we talk about having Sex with her, though the thought does cross my mind...

Infact all we ever do is complement her.

Now to Orlando bloom. I HATE HIS LITTLE GIRLY SELF AND WISH HE WOULD JUST DIE. HE IS SO GAY AND ANOYING. WHY CANT HE DIE>

Evan25
07-06-2005, 12:32 AM
I just saw the Pride and Prejudice trailer and she is SO HOT in that movie.
If only my fatasies would come true...

Leonie
07-06-2005, 07:35 AM
Be a good boy, and you never know what Santa will bring you.