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Hazzle
13-08-2004, 09:18 PM
The lyrics to Lou Reed's classic Walk On the Wild side came up on the other thread about song lyrics...and there was a discussion of the term "coloured girls"...and about the racist connotations. Now I think given the fact it was a 70's song, and thus at a time where the term "coloured" was deemed acceptable...it couldn't be deemed racist simply because it might be by modern standards...that'd be ridiculous...but here's the song...

Walk On The Wild Side
Lou Reed

Holly came from Miami Florida to. L.A.
hitch-hiked her way across the U.S.A.
Plucked her eyebrows on the way
shaved her leg and then he was a she
She says, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
said, hey honey, take a walk on the wild side

Candy came from out on the island
in the backroom she was everybody's darling

But she never lost her head
even when she was given head
She says, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
said, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
and the coloured girls go

Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, etc.

Little Joe never once gave it away
everybody had to pay and pay

A hustle here and a hustle there
New York city is the place where they said
Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
I Said hey Joe, take a walk on the wild side

Sugar Plum Fairy came and hit the streets
lookin' for soul food and a place to eat

Went to the Apollo
you should have seen him go go go
They said, hey Sugar, take a walk on the wild side
I said, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
all right, huh

Jackie is just speeding away
thought she was James Dean for a day

Then I guess she had to crash
valium would have helped that dash
She said, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
I said, hey honey, take a walk on the wild side
and the coloured girls say

Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, etc.

Anyway...this got me thinking...if a racist song was written today...one that was CLEARLY racist...SHOULD it be banned? Should we assume that if people hear a racist song that they'll be racist? I mean "Smack My Bitch Up" by the Prodigy got a similar reaction, both because of the video (which is bloody genius) and the lyrics...but in my view it shouldn't have been banned...because I LOVE that song but I've never hit a woman...nor have I been inclined to snort cocaine (which is one reason the video was banned)...I don't think songs/games/films make anyone act any way...not entirely sure if there IS an existing thread on this topic...but I couldn't find it...if there is...lock it...but if not...

What're everyone's thoughts on controversial songs/games/films and their impact on people's behaviour?

Spire
13-08-2004, 10:04 PM
Being a pretty hardcore gamer, I see stories all the time about people blaming violence on videogames and movies. Personally, I don't think they drive anyone into violence, not because of the content anyway. I play violent games all the time, and I wouldn't dream of hurting anyone, I'm a fairly calm guy in real life. I personally don't think anything should be banned or edited, but I do encourage a ratings system to keep some of that stuff away from children. I don't think children should be allowed anywhere near stuff like Silent Hill 3 or Grand Theft Auto. Enforce a ratings system, and everything's fine.

Jacoby
13-08-2004, 10:15 PM
I mean "Smack My Bitch Up" by the Prodigy got a similar reaction, both because of the video (which is bloody genius) and the lyrics...but in my view it shouldn't have been banned...

I don't think that video should have been banned either. The only reason it should be allowed is because it shows you that it was a girl the whole time, in the video. If it were a guy, then I would have been fine with the banning of that video. I think banning that video is like telling black rappers they can't use the 'n word' in their lyrics.

Hazzle
13-08-2004, 10:19 PM
I don't think that video should have been banned either. The only reason it should be allowed is because it shows you that it was a girl the whole time, in the video. If it were a guy, then I would have been fine with the banning of that video. I think banning that video is like telling black rappers they can't use the 'n word' in their lyrics.

Well...they don't blatantly show it's a girl...but yeah, the clues are all there...still...way to go ruining the twist for those who've not seen it yet :p

Jacoby
13-08-2004, 10:27 PM
They show her looking at her reflection in the end. Thus proving she's a girl. I win.

Hazzle
13-08-2004, 10:39 PM
The only reason it should be allowed is because it shows you that it was a girl the whole time, in the video.

Key words "the whole time"

They show her looking at her reflection in the end. Thus proving she's a girl. I win.

Key words "in the end"..."in the end" is not "the whole time"...so you were WRONG...thank you.

And what did I say? The "twist"...implying the end...and since I probably seen that video more times than you've had hot meals...I don't think you should try and challenge my knowledge of...so no...you don't win...I do...now shush, bitch :D

Plus you're off topic now :p

hasselbrad
13-08-2004, 11:33 PM
I am against censorship. On the other hand, I think media companies should accept responsibility for the garbage they distribute. 90% of rap music is utter garbage. Generic R&B beat out of a drum machine...generic misogynist lyrics...and a bunch of generic "hardcore" boasts of criminal activities. Fucking garbage.
Gangsta rap, for the most part, is a sham. I was in high school in the late '80s. I went to a very racially diverse high school which drew heavily from a middle class, black area. No projects, but rather nice, well kept middle class homes. I went back to visit teachers in the early '90s while I was in college, and it was all "gangsta". Same demographic, but instead of Wrecks-n-Effect and Bell Biv Devoe, it was all about the Starter jackets and gang signs. Funny, but the same neighborhoods were all about Chess King sweaters and step shows.
Intelligent, well thought out rap (De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, etc.) had given way to the lowest common denominator. Record labels fell all over themselves to sign anyone in a Starter jacket and baggy pants, because they knew that given the choice between "hardcore" and "intelligent", American teenagers would flock to the former.
Which leaves us where we are now, musically. The most exciting, fresh musical genre since rock and roll has been reduced to fucking clownshoes.
But I'm not bitter.
On topic...no, censorship is bad.

Jacoby
13-08-2004, 11:49 PM
Key words "the whole time"

I meant as in "all along"....not that it's telling you throughout the video.

"The only reason it should be allowed is because it shows you that it was a girl the whole time..." was supposed to mean "The only reason it should be allowed is because it shows you that it was a girl all along..."..you bastard.

Hazzle
13-08-2004, 11:52 PM
I meant as in "all along"....not that it's telling you throughout the video.

"The only reason it should be allowed is because it shows you that it was a girl the whole time..." was supposed to mean "The only reason it should be allowed is because it shows you that it was a girl all along..."..you bastard.

Yes, well, it's not my fault you can't use English properly...you should've said "all along" :p

DefyingGravity
13-08-2004, 11:59 PM
That song reminds me of "Rebel Rebel" by David Bowie for some reason. :icon_conf

frodo1511
14-08-2004, 12:28 AM
Being a pretty hardcore gamer, I see stories all the time about people blaming violence on videogames and movies. Personally, I don't think they drive anyone into violence, not because of the content anyway. I play violent games all the time, and I wouldn't dream of hurting anyone, I'm a fairly calm guy in real life. I personally don't think anything should be banned or edited, but I do encourage a ratings system to keep some of that stuff away from children. I don't think children should be allowed anywhere near stuff like Silent Hill 3 or Grand Theft Auto. Enforce a ratings system, and everything's fine.


EXACTLY TRUE, I have no problem with violence in movies/games, or language in music. I think that the ratings systems do help to an extent, but sooner or later, kids will just go ask their parents for "naughty" material. As long as your mature enough to understand the material, and to know that it's NOT REAL, then go at it. I mean, I play Halo a lot, but that dosen't mean I'm going to turn on my friends when they get in my way or anything.

BTW, anyone hear about the kid who killed his friend after playing the gory/crappy game Manhunt in London? I thought that was scary, how the kid got his hands on a piece of shit like that.

alby
14-08-2004, 01:11 AM
Being a pretty hardcore gamer, I see stories all the time about people blaming violence on videogames and movies. Personally, I don't think they drive anyone into violence, not because of the content anyway. I play violent games all the time, and I wouldn't dream of hurting anyone, I'm a fairly calm guy in real life. I personally don't think anything should be banned or edited, but I do encourage a ratings system to keep some of that stuff away from children. I don't think children should be allowed anywhere near stuff like Silent Hill 3 or Grand Theft Auto. Enforce a ratings system, and everything's fine.

I agree with you.

People are just blaming video games and music when they should be blaming parents who don't teach their kids properly or when they can't acknowledge that sometimes even the best parents can't prevent their kids from being crazy.

keira_lover
14-08-2004, 01:52 AM
I agree with you.

People are just blaming video games and music when they should be blaming parents who don't teach their kids properly.

Yeah, what he said.

Richard
14-08-2004, 04:44 AM
What can I say that hasn't already been said?

I believe, like many of you already mentioned - that it's up to any legal guardian to control and be aware of what a child views. If you can't handle that, then you don't have what it takes to be a parent. For instance, I watched my first full-on horror film when I was 4, and that's the typical gore filled with language and nudity, and I turned out fine. :icon_conf

Sometimes it all depends on the child. Some people's behaviour changes when they're exposed to violence or nudity, (you watch porno once, and you want to watch it again. You see violence for the first time, and you feel the need to act it out. It's common.) I'm not saying my parents are bad parents, they're just not involved. I couldn't have had better ones, it's like freedom for me... some kids have it rough when it comes to the R-rating.

Anyways, the rating system we have is great for over-zealous children. But I just hate it when I go to Best Buy and buy an R-rated movie and they ask for my ID, it sucks, so bring your pops along. :) I don't play a lot of video games, I wish I had more time... so I don't know how graphic games nowadays are.

To blame the item or a place of business because your little brother bought something he shouldn't, is just stupid. There's really no one else to blame but yourself, if you're a parent.

Hazzle
14-08-2004, 11:02 AM
Arrrr...good to hear...

What about censorship of controversial things? I mean like controversial films and songs that're banned.

BTW Manhunter is AWESOME...arrrrrrr. I love it...and I've never murdered anyone...yet...

aspro
14-08-2004, 11:07 AM
Censorship is bad. Freedom of ideas I believe to be WAY more important than making it easier for parents to be lazy.

frodo1511
14-08-2004, 06:01 PM
BTW Manhunter is AWESOME...arrrrrrr. I love it...and I've never murdered anyone...yet...


Keep it that way, will ya hazz?

Hazzle
14-08-2004, 09:44 PM
Keep it that way, will ya hazz?

Stop spamming and I will ;)