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Hazzle
18-07-2004, 06:12 PM
This is the probable title of the new Batman film...Batman 5.

Directed by the director of Memento and Insomnia and with a cast including Christian Bale (who I think will make an excellent Batman as he has that brooding thing which he showed in American Psycho), Ken Wattanabe, Liam Neeson, Michael Caine as Alfred (ARRRR...how cool will that be?!), Cillian Murphy (28 days later...set to play the Scarecrow who is the best batman baddy after The Penguin and The Joker), Katie Holmes (mmmm), Gary Oldman and Morgan Freeman.

It's a prequel to the batman films Based on how Bruce became Batman.

Now my take on this is it's going to be bloody awesome, and may well outclass Spidey 2 as the best comic book film to date. It's directed by a director who knows how to make grim brooding films, it's set before the others so it by necessity will be grimmer and the cast looks SOOO good, with Bale the perfect man to do Batman.

Anyone else really looking forward to it? Thoughts and comments welcome :)

frodo1511
18-07-2004, 06:20 PM
I'm really psyshced to see Begins. Batman hasen't been doing too great since Forever. Batman and Robin sucked majorly, with Clooney ruining bats' reputation, Ahnuld playing Freeze like shit, and Batgirl's cameo pointless. I thought the first one and Forever were the best of the bunch so far, all with Michael Keaton, Jack Nickalus, Jim Carrey, & Tommy Lee Jones taking roles. I'm excited to see the scarecrow, since he's my favorite villan of the Batman universe (two-face making a strong second). Anyone who likes Batman/ comic books in general should be excited about this movie to the point of peeing in your pants. This movie may even give X2 a run for best superhero movie ever.

Hazzle
18-07-2004, 06:25 PM
I'm really psyshced to see Begins. Batman hasen't been doing too great since Forever. Batman and Robin sucked majorly, with Clooney ruining bats' reputation, Ahnuld playing Freeze like shit, and Batgirl's cameo pointless. I thought the first one and Forever were the best of the bunch so far, all with Michael Keaton, Jack Nickalus, Jim Carrey, & Tommy Lee Jones taking roles. I'm excited to see the scarecrow, since he's my favorite villan of the Batman universe (two-face making a strong second). Anyone who likes Batman/ comic books in general should be excited about this movie to the point of peeing in your pants. This movie may even give X2 a run for best superhero movie ever.

Forever was SOOOO bad...they haven't been any good since Burton stopped directing them...Forever was terrible as Kilmer couldn't play Batman...TLJ was disappointing, not bad, but meh...and Jim Carrey was so below par...he's done so much better work. That's why I think "Begins" will be good as the hero and villains are all played by excellent actors (Bale, Wattanabe, Murphy)

frodo1511
18-07-2004, 06:28 PM
Forever was SOOOO bad...they haven't been any good since Burton stopped directing them...Forever was terrible as Kilmer couldn't play Batman...TLJ was disappointing, not bad, but meh...and Jim Carrey was so below par...he's done so much better work. That's why I think "Begins" will be good as the hero and villains are all played by excellent actors (Bale, Wattanabe, Murphy)

I happen to like all three of those actors, thank you very much. well, lets put it this way: Forever was so much better than Batman And Robin, but not nearly on par with Batman/Returns.

Hazzle
18-07-2004, 06:41 PM
I happen to like all three of those actors, thank you very much. well, lets put it this way: Forever was so much better than Batman And Robin, but not nearly on par with Batman/Returns.

The three actors being...Kilmer, TLJ and Carrey? I like em too, just Kilmer couldn't play Batman...he's very much only capable of one type of role...the smug jerky git, like he played in Top Gun. Tommy Lee Jones is a legend, and Carrey is hilarious, just Forever was poor.

Better than Batman and Robin though, and I totally agree Returns and the original were so much better. I actually think Begins could better all of them.

CFC
18-07-2004, 07:08 PM
Directed by the director of Memento

That alone is enough reason for me to go see it.

frodo1511
18-07-2004, 07:10 PM
There's no guessing about it: Begins WILL be the best batman movie ever. With an all-star cast, a "true" batman-capable character(besides Keaton) and hopefully state-of-the-art f/x, it will rule. Only downfall will probably be that so many people hated Batman and Robin, & will knock this one off as crap. Remember The Matrix: Revolutions? It didn't even make half the ammount that Reloaded did. :(

KeirazBabe
18-07-2004, 07:11 PM
Batman 5.. what an interesting title tee hee.. did you say katie holmes? *gets interested* ;) lol

xXx

Richard
18-07-2004, 08:11 PM
My question is who's going to see "Catwoman"?... me neither, or if you are tell me how is it. Well I'm glad to know that a new Batman is in the works, because of how awful the previous Batman & Robin was. I tried to like it seeing that Uma Thurman was in it, but it just sucked... and I never knew Arnold was a Batman fan. I'm content to hear Cillian Murphy is going to play the villian in the film, his work in 28 Days later was awesome and hopefully he may get recognized with this project. Morgan Freeman... well alright, he makes just about any movie "good" enough to watch, at least for his performance and his bone-chilling voice. When I found out that Christian Bale was going to play Batman, the first thing I did was try and remember who he was... then I remembered American Psycho and you've got the brooding thing right. To be honest, I'm not that familiar with the whole Batman concept. What I saw from the films is just about all I know and I was amused by the series, perhaps I need to watch them again. I'm going to miss DeVito, that fat penguin that ate fish. Didn't he bleed black-blood?, weird. If I had to choose, The Joker was probably the best villian ever. Very sinister.

Did anyone else like Two-face, from Batman Forever? I know most of you hated that film, but I like Tommy Lee Jones and it was his character and Seal's "Kiss from a Rose" that made that film average.

Mags
18-07-2004, 08:29 PM
Mmmm...Christian Bale...let me just say for the record...phwoar.
http://www.yehey.com/local/entertainment/images/ChristianBale02-A.JPG

I've been watching this guy since Newsies (anyone remember that? No? didn't think so) and I just recently saw American Psycho, which to be honest scared the shit out of me, if only because it startled me how sexy murder can be.
I saw the cover story feature on him and Batman a few weeks ago in Entertainment Weekly and I have to say that this looks like it will be the best Batman yet. I think it's a great story and that Val Kilmer and George Clooney didn't do it justice. Michael Keaton was better, just because he looks so unlike a superhero. Now, Mr. Bale is very buff, but from what I heard, this won't be the incredible bat-suit costumed hero we've seen before, but a more gritty, realistic hero. I for one am most definitely looking forward to it.

http://www.chilax.com/markeee/photos/bale3.jpg


For serious.

frodo1511
18-07-2004, 11:09 PM
My question is who's going to see "Catwomen"?... me neither, or if you are tell me how is it.
Did anyone else like Two-face, from Batman Forever? I know most of you hated that film, but I like Tommy Lee Jones and it was his character and Seal's "Kiss from a Rose" that made that film average.

Thats a big no from me. I remember watching Tech TV, and someone was talking about the Catwoman game, and someone said "Electronic Arts is hoping to hit it big with Catwoman, the game based on the movie that YOU WILL NEVER, EVER SEE!!!"

Anyway, I did enjoy TLJ performance as 2-face. Not just because he's a magnificant actor, but because he brought to life one of my favorite villians in a way I could never imagine.
:D

Noir
18-07-2004, 11:40 PM
bale should be excellent, he was brilliant as the dark moody guy in Equilibrium, hopefully he can be as good in this :)

on an aside, the majority of the film is being filmed just down the road from my house :/

frodo1511
18-07-2004, 11:45 PM
bale should be excellent, he was brilliant as the dark moody guy in Equilibrium, hopefully he can be as good in this :)

on an aside, the majority of the film is being filmed just down the road from my house :/

Which is, where, exactley?

Noir
19-07-2004, 12:00 AM
cardington hangers in bedford, england. big old airship hangers. been a picture or two in the paper with all the american cop/swat cars in it. they advertised for extras, unfortunately i wasn't in town when they did :/

ryan
19-07-2004, 12:13 AM
This is the probable title of the new Batman film...Batman 5.

Directed by the director of Memento and Insomnia and with a cast including Christian Bale (who I think will make an excellent Batman as he has that brooding thing which he showed in American Psycho), Ken Wattanabe, Liam Neeson, Michael Caine as Alfred (ARRRR...how cool will that be?!), Cillian Murphy (28 days later...set to play the Scarecrow who is the best batman baddy after The Penguin and The Joker), Katie Holmes (mmmm), Gary Oldman and Morgan Freeman.

It's a prequel to the batman films Based on how Bruce became Batman.

Now my take on this is it's going to be bloody awesome, and may well outclass Spidey 2 as the best comic book film to date. It's directed by a director who knows how to make grim brooding films, it's set before the others so it by necessity will be grimmer and the cast looks SOOO good, with Bale the perfect man to do Batman.

Anyone else really looking forward to it? Thoughts and comments welcome :)



just want to add...spider-man 2 isn't the best comic book movie ever made..X2 has that title :p

Kyle_West
19-07-2004, 12:45 AM
I dont even remember Scarecrow.....Dont yell at me. But Bale was good in Equilibrium. I liked that movie alot.

frodo1511
19-07-2004, 01:01 AM
Yeah, the scarecrow was my favorite baddie in the Animated Adventures of Batman. I believe he came into the series near it's end (cartoon-wise) so many probably don't know him.
Oh, and props for all who think X2=greatness:)

ChocolateMoose
19-07-2004, 01:18 AM
CAN'T WAIT to see Batman Begins...Christian Bale rules! (Has anyone seen Equilibrium?!). :D :D :D :D :D

Here is the cast:

Christian Bale .... Bruce Wayne/Batman
Liam Neeson .... Ducard
Michael Caine .... Alfred Pennyworth
Katie Holmes .... Rachel Dodson
Cillian Murphy .... Dr. Jonathan Crane/The Scarecrow
Gary Oldman .... Sargeant James Gordon
Ken Watanabe .... Ra's Al Ghul
Tom Wilkinson .... Carmine Falcone
Morgan Freeman .... Lucius Fox
Rutger Hauer .... Richard Earle
Sara Stewart .... Martha Wayne
Richard Brake .... Joe Chill
Linus Roache .... Dr. Thomas Wayne
Colin McFarlane .... Commissioner Gillian B. Loeb

Here are some piccies:

http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/page.html
http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/page1.html (Batman!)
http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/page2.html
http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/page3.html
http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/page4.html (Alfred, hehe)
http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/page5.html

Spire
19-07-2004, 01:53 AM
The new batmobile looks retarded, but i'm still looking forward to this movie. Batman is my favorite comic book character, too bad most of the movies so far have sucked...

DragonRat
19-07-2004, 01:56 AM
Joel Schumacher made it his mission in life to utterly corrupt the Batman series on the silver screen. He took the mantle from Tim Burton and uglified it; Batman and Robin was by far the worst movie I have ever seen (you just can't have George Clooney as Bruce Wayne...it just doesn't work). I think Batman Begins will be good. They have a strong cast, and the director isn't so shabby, if he can make the movie just as well-crafted as Memento (which, by the way, was a stunning film).

Richard
19-07-2004, 04:41 AM
Joel Schumacher made it his mission in life to utterly corrupt the Batman series on the silver screen. He took the mantle from Tim Burton and uglified it; Batman and Robin was by far the worst movie I have ever seen (you just can't have George Clooney as Bruce Wayne...it just doesn't work). I think Batman Begins will be good. They have a strong cast, and the director isn't so shabby, if he can make the movie just as well-crafted as Memento (which, by the way, was a stunning film).

True. But Joel Schumacher did wonders for The Lost Boys.

DragonRat
19-07-2004, 04:57 AM
True, but why couldn't he do that with the Batman franchise? He just had to make everything more colorful, when the Batman comic and series was meant to be brooding and dark.

Oh, and by the way, Batman: the Animated Series, is probably the single greatest non-comedy cartoon ever to have been made. The very beginning, with the theme and scenes, are par excellence.

Richard
19-07-2004, 05:15 AM
True, but why couldn't he do that with the Batman franchise? He just had to make everything more colorful, when the Batman comic and series was meant to be brooding and dark.

Oh, and by the way, Batman: the Animated Series, is probably the single greatest non-comedy cartoon ever to have been made. The very beginning, with the theme and scenes, are par excellence.

If I recall correctly, that was a fat Batman. But perhaps it was just his strong body. Either way, I was unfortunate to watch the series. I may have glanced at the show from time to time, but it was nothing serious. Though I'll take your word for it, I'm sure it was great cartoon.

Renegade
20-07-2004, 04:57 AM
I loved the animated series. Very dark. Not the typical "Here's a conflict, when it's resolved, learn a good moral at the end" kinda cartoon. Plus the intro was cool :p .

As for the movie, it'll be good. The solid cast of stars should provide good performances. Plus the premise sounds interesting so I can't really see where this movie would go wrong.

jadie
20-07-2004, 05:14 AM
This'll be interesting.

Hazzle
20-07-2004, 09:59 PM
Ok...anyone who thinks X2 is better than Spiderman 2 needs help...X2 was better than X-Men, but not by much, and even the original Batman films outclassed it ffs. It just didn't FEEL like a comic book film...a good film, yes, but didn't feel right...I collected the X-men comics for as long as Spiderman ones and I actually didn't feel that the X-men films captured the X-men HALF as well as Spiderman films captured Spiderman...it's NOT about making a good film...it's about making a good COMIC BOOK ADAPTATION. Thus X-2, good film as it was, just can't touch Spiderman 2.

If you think that's wrong, you're retarded, end of. I am not having this discussion again.

On topic...the new batmobile looks...wrong...but I like the new costume...it looks like it's raw and unfinished, as it should be considering he's only just become batman.

frodo1511
21-07-2004, 02:48 AM
Ok...anyone who thinks X2 is better than Spiderman 2 needs help...X2 was better than X-Men, but not by much, and even the original Batman films outclassed it ffs. It just didn't FEEL like a comic book film...a good film, yes, but didn't feel right...I collected the X-men comics for as long as Spiderman ones and I actually didn't feel that the X-men films captured the X-men HALF as well as Spiderman films captured Spiderman...it's NOT about making a good film...it's about making a good COMIC BOOK ADAPTATION. Thus X-2, good film as it was, just can't touch Spiderman 2.

If you think that's wrong, you're retarded, end of. I am not having this discussion again.

On topic...the new batmobile looks...wrong...but I like the new costume...it looks like it's raw and unfinished, as it should be considering he's only just become batman.


Agree w/ the new batmobile. It looks very different than the others in the series. And to comment on Spidey 2 > X2, we all have what I like to call, an
OPINION. Blue is better than green, PB better than jelly, X2 WAY better than S2, etc. So in my, and others, opinions, X2 is the best comic/superhero adaptation into the big screen. Period.

Hazzle
21-07-2004, 02:50 AM
Sooo wrong. The X-men never even looked like the X-men at ANY point...they looked like they were extras from Batman instead...it looked like a poor remake of batman using the X-men characters than an X-men movie.

And it's not an opinion...it's a fact...my opinion is gospel :D

Cycleofthemoon
21-07-2004, 02:57 AM
Haha, In the last pic of the post above, the one with Liam Neeson, I think he still kinda looks like a Jedi. With the robes and all. Wow, can't fight the force can ya Liam. :D

frodo1511
21-07-2004, 02:59 AM
Sooo wrong. The X-men never even looked like the X-men at ANY point...they looked like they were extras from Batman instead...it looked like a poor remake of batman using the X-men characters than an X-men movie.

And it's not an opinion...it's a fact...my opinion is gospel :D

Whatever. I can't get this by him, maby someone else can.
At least the CGI looked "realistic" in X2, rather than crappy PS2 visuals in S2.

Richard
21-07-2004, 03:05 AM
ComicCons at your corners. I have seen neither X-Men or X2, so I have no part in this debate. But I enjoyed Spidey 1, and definitely enjoyed the trailer for Spidey 2. That's all.

frodo1511
21-07-2004, 03:06 AM
ComicCons at your corners. I have seen neither X-Men or X2, so I have no part in this debate. But I enjoyed Spidey 1, and definitely enjoyed the trailer for Spider 2. That's all.


I take it you haven't seen S2 yet Richard. It's a good movie, an 8.5/10 for me, I just preferred X2 more.

ChocolateMoose
21-07-2004, 11:03 AM
In the August issue of Total Film there is an article about the new Batmobile. It says:

"A crucial chunk of any Batman movie is the motor. And just as Mr. Nolan has been tweaking the elements of the Caped Crusaders visual style, he's also plumped for a complete re-invention of Bruce Wayne's favourite mode of transportation. Instead of the sleek aerodynamic lines of Burton-and-Schumacher ordered vehicles, Batman Begins will introduce The Tumbler.
In the film the car is originally concieved by the ideas of Lucius Fox (Freeman) and is intended to be a military vehicle. But after being shelved as too expensive by the Wayne Enterprises Board, its rescued by Bruce (Bale) for his use in his crime-stopping career. Producer Charles Roven calls it "a cross between a Lamborghini and a Humvee" and this squat vehicle has hidden depths. The jet-powered engine can get it travelling at more then 220mph and leap a distance of around 30ft, while weapons fans will be pleased to hear that it boasts forward firing machine guns and an aircraft style landing hook to bring it to a halt. Plus, its a fully functional machine...no CGI trickery here. As for cup holders and furry dice? Doubtful..."

Hazzle
22-07-2004, 11:10 PM
I take it you haven't seen S2 yet Richard. It's a good movie, an 8.5/10 for me, I just preferred X2 more.

EH? Don't tell me you'd give X-2 better than a 6 out of 10? I don't watch comic book movies for realistic CGI...ffs how realistic is it to see a guy climbing up walls? AHHH...here's a clue...IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE REALISTIC. It's SUPPOSED to look like the stuff of fantasy...that's the blooming point. The CGI in X-2 didn't make it up to that standard...simply as, as you say, it was more "realistic". Comics...realism...hmmm...think that one through again, ok mate?

I watch a comic book movie for the adaptation of the comic...X-2 was a TERRIBLE adaptation of the comic...decent film, but you can't make a comic book film without making it seem unreal. That's where X-2 failed...for me it was distinctly average, and looked like any other action film, as opposed to making something unique.

Back to the Batman discussion, which is the point of the debate (maybe start a Spiderman 2 v X-2 discussion if you like? ;)) I'm LOVING the fact the car is all real...still not sure about the idea of it not being sleek :icon_mecr

Pinkfairy
22-07-2004, 11:34 PM
I watch a comic book movie for the adaptation of the comic...X-2 was a TERRIBLE adaptation of the comic...decent film, but you can't make a comic book film without making it seem unreal. That's where X-2 failed...for me it was distinctly average, and looked like any other action film, as opposed to making something unique.


So X2 sucked because it seemed too real? I may be wrong, but I thought that the point of making comic book adaptions was to make them realistic, if they're not realistic we might as well stick to the comic books.
On the other hand, S2 did grab the idea better than X2. I liked both though.

DesignatedJerk
22-07-2004, 11:35 PM
I really don't have high hopes for bat man beginnings, yet I think it could be a very solid movie. it should be better than batman and robin. man you can only go up after that,

Hazzle
23-07-2004, 01:00 AM
So X2 sucked because it seemed too real? I may be wrong, but I thought that the point of making comic book adaptions was to make them realistic, if they're not realistic we might as well stick to the comic books.

Yes, you're wrong...it's a case of transposing the work onto a a new environment...seeing the images MOVE...but if it's about reality then where's all the fun? The FUN of comics is the escapism...take that out of a comic book film and it's just an action film.

frodo1511
23-07-2004, 05:43 AM
So you are going to try to prove some 100 million people that X-2 sucked, and S2 was better, hazzle? Tell me how that goes.
BTW, I do like that the batmobie will be real. Does anyone think that Christian bale will drive, or some stunt guy?

alby
23-07-2004, 08:19 AM
CAN'T WAIT to see Batman Begins...Christian Bale rules! (Has anyone seen Equilibrium?!). :D :D :D :D :D

Here is the cast:

Christian Bale .... Bruce Wayne/Batman
Liam Neeson .... Ducard
Michael Caine .... Alfred Pennyworth
Katie Holmes .... Rachel Dodson
Cillian Murphy .... Dr. Jonathan Crane/The Scarecrow
Gary Oldman .... Sargeant James Gordon
Ken Watanabe .... Ra's Al Ghul
Tom Wilkinson .... Carmine Falcone
Morgan Freeman .... Lucius Fox
Rutger Hauer .... Richard Earle
Sara Stewart .... Martha Wayne
Richard Brake .... Joe Chill
Linus Roache .... Dr. Thomas Wayne
Colin McFarlane .... Commissioner Gillian B. Loeb

Here are some piccies:

http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/page.html
http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/page1.html (Batman!)
http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/page2.html
http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/page3.html
http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/page4.html (Alfred, hehe)
http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/page5.html

I wasn't impressed by Christian Bale's work in American Psycho, Shaft, Captain Corelli's Mandolin, and Reign of Fire -- fairly mediocre films in my opinion.

I liked Spiderman II. I'm glad it broke the $500 million mark.

Hazzle
23-07-2004, 11:19 AM
So you are going to try to prove some 100 million people that X-2 sucked, and S2 was better, hazzle? Tell me how that goes.
BTW, I do like that the batmobie will be real. Does anyone think that Christian bale will drive, or some stunt guy?

100 million people are stupid...why should I waste my time? MOST people are stupid, sadly...that's why films like Titanic do well, that's why people think POTC is a good film when in all honesty it's an ok film with an AMAZING performance by Johnny Depp (and Keira looking gorgeous)...ANYWAY...

I hope Bale drives himself...I suspect that'll be the case as didn't I read somewhere he likes to do his own stunt work?

ChocolateMoose
23-07-2004, 02:41 PM
I wasn't impressed by Christian Bale's work in American Psycho, Shaft, Captain Corelli's Mandolin, and Reign of Fire -- fairly mediocre films in my opinion.

I've seen CCM and RoF and I agree. However, have you seen Equilibrium? Because he is great in that, and its an amazing film!

I think he'll make a smashing Batman :D I would imagine he will drive the car in all the easy bits, such as normal driving, but stunt teams will do the high speed stuff etc.