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wishingtobefamous
19-08-2006, 12:50 AM
i personally think they suck donkey nuts.

deviljet88
19-08-2006, 12:53 AM
Using a one-song impression, they suck.

Who hates Nickelback?

Digital_Ice
19-08-2006, 01:34 AM
well... this is sure a worthwhile thread..

heh I'm just waiting for urb's MCR fanboy retort.

wishingtobefamous
19-08-2006, 02:26 AM
ahh nickleback is less annoying than MCR but they still kinda suck.

imactuallybritish
19-08-2006, 02:51 AM
ya, they suck. relly bad. especially helena.

Swordsman
19-08-2006, 03:50 AM
Fuck all those bullshit douche bags.

Hazzle
19-08-2006, 09:27 AM
well... this is sure a worthwhile thread..

heh I'm just waiting for urb's MCR fanboy retort.

Heh. You didn't even expect one from me?! ;)

You all suck donkey's balls. And Nickelback are WAAAAY worse than MCR cunnies.

ya, they suck. relly bad. especially helena.

Helena's brilliant you fucknut. I can get people who hardly ever listen to them hating them but to single out Helena's just cretinous. "I'm Not Okay" and I'd probably see where you're coming from but you sir are just a cretin.

kingdumbass
19-08-2006, 09:51 AM
I just don't understand the need for all of the makeup....
Why, back in my day, bands would go out on stage looking like they'd just gotten out of bed.

In fact, many of them probably DID just get out of bed.

calereneau
19-08-2006, 03:18 PM
Nickelback is the worst band ever, besides Breaking Benjamin. MCR is awful, but not near as bad.

DanMan
19-08-2006, 04:13 PM
I dont care for nickelback myself.
Specifically, due to all the feeling
sorry for myself lyrics.:icon_mecr
I bought one of their CDs and
quickly gave it away in disappointment.
The mistake wont be made twice.
I am currently wearing out an old CD which
I had just bought thru the recommendation
of a friend and never had the pleasure of
listening too. Dishwhalla (sp?) "Pet your Friends"
which I also recommend if you havent listened
to it. The lyrics are intimately more interesting.
Now, abuse my taste all you want, I dont care. :p

Swordsman
19-08-2006, 04:26 PM
Every Nickelback song sounds the goddamn same. That photograph single or whatever is the same exact song from like 5 years ago.

Hazzle
19-08-2006, 10:43 PM
I just don't understand the need for all of the makeup....
Why, back in my day, bands would go out on stage looking like they'd just gotten out of bed.

In fact, many of them probably DID just get out of bed.

Yes...bands never wore makeup before Emo came along:

http://www.thenextleft.com/blogatory/archives/kiss-band.jpg

You people act like Axel Rose never wore makeup. In fact a lot of "hair" bands did, and makeup was huge in the 70s. Stop being cretinous whores. There's lots to diss about Emo music (I'd even concede some of it) but try something other than the trite, tired, and entirely flawed criticisms. It makes you seem like you can't think for yourself.

GoPre
19-08-2006, 10:51 PM
MCR is quite possibly the lamest most generic band of our time.

This reminds me of when I payed 30$ to go watch Circa Survive and Thrice open for MCR, then when MCR came on on stage I left.

Oh, and Nickelback sucks, except that Animal song is ok.

Hazzle
19-08-2006, 10:59 PM
MCR is quite possibly the lamest most generic band of our time.

Stop being cretinous whores. There's lots to diss about Emo music (I'd even concede some of it) but try something other than the trite, tired, and entirely flawed criticisms. It makes you seem like you can't think for yourself.

Elaborate or risk being panned as a cretinous whore.

kingdumbass
20-08-2006, 12:17 AM
I wasn't talking about Kiss and Guns 'N Roses....
I never liked either of them, or most bands of their ilk, for that matter. I was talking about all of the shitty grunge and punk-type bands that I liked as a teenager. They were all a bunch of slobs. And they were cool.

I barely understand what the fuck Emo is. Furthermore, I have no interest in finding out. Based off my stricly casual observations, it looks as though most Emo bands are just low-rent versions of Blink 182, which was just a low-rent version of Green Day. My girlfriend listens to all of that stuff, and that's the impression I get: Blink 182 with the Gay turned up as high as possible. If you're into it, I won't hold it against you.

Swordsman
20-08-2006, 03:07 AM
I wouldn't even consider MCR emo. They got nothin' to be sad about, they may sing about being sad, but you know it's bullshit. There's really nothing wrong with emo anyway. It's just sort of getting exploited because it's currently cool to be like that. I just noticed how bullshit this thread is. Goddamn am i slow.

Hazzle
20-08-2006, 06:53 PM
I wasn't talking about Kiss and Guns 'N Roses....
I never liked either of them, or most bands of their ilk, for that matter. I was talking about all of the shitty grunge and punk-type bands that I liked as a teenager. They were all a bunch of slobs. And they were cool.

I barely understand what the fuck Emo is. Furthermore, I have no interest in finding out. Based off my stricly casual observations, it looks as though most Emo bands are just low-rent versions of Blink 182, which was just a low-rent version of Green Day. My girlfriend listens to all of that stuff, and that's the impression I get: Blink 182 with the Gay turned up as high as possible. If you're into it, I won't hold it against you.

Homophobe ;).

I was just pointing out that the makeup/homophobic slagging off of Emo is entirely unfair as it's hardly the first time bands have worn makeup, wasn't specifically referring to the bands you were thinking of (as I had no way of knowing who you were thinking of), just the point about makeup. The anti-Emo thing often verges on homophobia too, so be careful :p

I would take issue with the low-rent version of Blink 182 point, not because of the "low-rent" part but that there's absolutely no similarity between Blink 182 and most Emo bands. With the exception of Story Of The Year who are actually skaters and the skater-punk stuff comes into it because it's what they grew up with. And yes, Blink were a low-rent version of Green Day who were the pioneers of the skate-punk sub-genre.

My attitude to Emo music is the same as my attitude to junk food. I know it's not "good" but I like it, so I don't actually care. Junk food's terrible for me but I love eating it.

calereneau
20-08-2006, 07:00 PM
Don't you ever EVER compare junk food to emo music. Emo music is far less satisfying.

We will tussle....

hasselbrad
21-08-2006, 06:10 PM
Little sister's jeans...check.
Little sister's eye make-up...check.
Uncle's 1980s vintage t-shirt, left in the dryer on high 'til the motor burns out...check.
Aunt's 1980s vintage studded black belt...check.
Mom's haircut...check.

Look at me! Look at me! I'm so emoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Over produced garbage. Most of these bands are utter shit live. I was flipping around a while back and I caught some bunch of mall-rats on stage. Holy Mary mother of God...they were awful. It was like they had never seen, let alone played musical instruments in their lives. But hey...everyone's hair stayed over one eye throughout the performance...so it ROCKED!

Shinedown...that is the worst fucking band on the planet. Every time I hear the I Dare You turd, I think two things...
1. Do they really mean to sound like "No Vacancy" from School of Rock?
2. Why hasn't someone beaten them to death with their instruments?

duckula
21-08-2006, 09:44 PM
Rock is dead.

Hazzle
21-08-2006, 10:04 PM
Don't you ever EVER compare junk food to emo music. Emo music is far less satisfying.

To you, perhaps.

Heh Brad. To be fair, I've seen MCR live, and they were excellent, and that's what this thread was about. They're not even Emo anyway, the new album's prog-rock. But hey, why not slag them off because it's cool to do so ;)

It's just as bad slagging off the genre "just because" is just as pathetic as those who like the genre because it's "cool". Thankfully I don't think you fall into this category. I've not heard Shinedown so I can't comment.

The thing is there are certain bands that call themselves "emo" or "screamo" etc. Those bands invariably blow. The ones that don't actually think of themselves as such are a lot less "scene" orientated. These bands are often far better. To most real fans of the music, "emo" is a dirty word, because of the "scene" that's become attached. Grunge went through the same thing in the 1990s. For every Mudhoney and Nirvana there were tons of shit bands that you probably can't even remember today.

GoPre
22-08-2006, 01:07 AM
To you, perhaps.

Heh Brad. To be fair, I've seen MCR live, and they were excellent

I've seen them live for about 10 minutes, and they surprisingly are really good on stage.

And thankyou to who originally stated that MCR is not emo. If you think mcr is emo then you probably don't know enough about music to be debating about it.

wishingtobefamous
22-08-2006, 01:17 AM
well honestly ive listented to their earlier work and their newer work so its not as if im uneducated on their music, i just think that they whine a bit to much. theyd be better if so much of their time wasnt spent on dwelling on past realtionships. their guitar players brilliant but the lyrics dont match in quality.

Swordsman
22-08-2006, 02:15 AM
I guess i really don't have that much of a problem with MCR, it's really just the creepy ass 9-year-old kids that dress up and see their shows. I saw about the last 10-15 minutes of a set when they opened for Green Day. MCR does put on a nice show.

Wishingtobefamous, that's goddamn stupid. Their dwelling is the reason that they actually make music and they have money, they have no reason to stop. What the fuck is up with your hate on emo anyway? You remind me of the kids that bitch about their hate of ska every time someone brings it up. Oh, and yeah, a lot of emo bands usually have great guitarists for some reason. There's a bullshit emo band in my town and the lead kid is goddamn great at playing the blues but he lays down some hot licks in his songs but his lyrics are soooooooo bad.

wishingtobefamous
22-08-2006, 04:07 AM
exactly thats what im saying. and not all emao bands are annoying but like i said MCR would be better if they stopped whining so much, and wrote better lyrics.

Hazzle
22-08-2006, 07:50 AM
First album is lyrically stronger. Second is more reliant on the music, the lyrics are definitely weaker. Helena, personally, is a song I don't like much, but not because it's generic, but because it's too lead by the vocals and not enough guitar, and I personally think he gets too whiny in it. Ghost of You is brilliant though. Fits very closely to a time in my life where I was pretty fucked up. To be fair, speaking for myself, I've been suicidal, I've self-harmed, and I've been massively depressed, long before I started listening to this sort of music. And I've found something I can associate with. That's why I don't care if it's "good" or if other people like it, it suits my emotional make-up (heh), and my life so far. That's just me on a personal level though.

Actually Swords, I have the problem with the "scene" fans, the 9 year olds who dress up to go to their shows, the people who got into it because they like guitar-based boybands and think Gerrard's hot (which he is, btw, even I'd fucking do him). I have no issue with people who dress up if it's a valid expression of themselves, my sister likes to go a little goth, but that's just her, and it's always been her, and always will be. She doesn't go with the "scene" dress sense, she just wears odd stuff. Again, in her defence, like me she's struggled with depression and self-harm. And none of this was "scene" or for the music, but our home life growing up was a bit fucked up.

I can spot a true MCR fan a mile off, and it was great fun taking the piss out of the fakes at the show. Was a great gig, my birthday present too. Gerrard's birthday's 2 days after mine, so they played a special matinee show, and I got tickets as my present. Now I hope from that you can see I'm not an obsessive fuckwit. If I was I'd be going "OMFG! Gerrard's birthday's 2 days after mine!" like most of those stupid 9 year old kids would. But so fucking what? I bet billions of cunts were born on the same week as I was. I do dwell on the fact that Kurt Cobain died the same week as my birthday, but that's because I found out about it the day after my 13th birthday and I took it badly.

Anyhoo, I like Swords. The hate on Emo as a genre isn't on, it's for cunts. It's like people who slag off punk music for being simplistic, stating that bands like Green Day use 3 chords. Because obviously Green Day are the only punk band ever, and the Clash's songs were never more complex than 3 chords! :icon_roll

To be fair, WTBF, I have no problem with the dwelling, and I like it. Like I said, it fits with my life and my experiences, if I didn't associate with it, I would stop listening to it, no matter how good it sounded. However if I continued to associate with it, and the "scene" died, I'd still listen to it, because I never liked it because it was "cool" to do so. For me music is about how it makes you feel, not how it sounds. It's the same with art, it's not what you see, it's what you feel. If you feel nothing, or worse, feel hate and dislike towards the work, then don't listen to it. But any artform is going to have people for whom it actually resonates, and people for whom it doesn't. Variety is good.

GoPre
22-08-2006, 05:25 PM
and think Gerrard's hot (which he is, btw, even I'd fucking do him).


Ew. Gerrard is a fatty, not to mention really weir looking. And what the fuck is up with the ridiculous vest she wears all the time.

wishingtobefamous,

You're not aloud to talk about music, bye.

Swordsman
23-08-2006, 12:03 AM
Honestly, if you're going to be a music jackass do it on the last.fm boards, at least there's more idiots there.


If the kid is just expressing him or herself i guess i don't have a problem. But they're like 9, i really doubt that the kids were real fans before they were on MTV or playing a show when tickets cost 30 bucks. I love seeing little kids at local shows because i always know they're gonna rock the fuck out. My town has such a good music scene... or at least i'm told so, whenever a touring band comes in.

wishingtobefamous
23-08-2006, 12:05 AM
now im not the target of the musical jackass comment am i?

Hazzle
23-08-2006, 08:17 AM
If the kid is just expressing him or herself i guess i don't have a problem. But they're like 9, i really doubt that the kids were real fans before they were on MTV or playing a show when tickets cost 30 bucks.

Exactly. I hate that.

I actually do find that when kids are at gigs they're vicious little bastards in the mosh. In my case I don't have to worry about hurting them as I'm smaller than 9 year olds ;)

Swordsman
24-08-2006, 01:12 AM
Haha, cool. At least you can get in the mosh pit. I'm 6'2", and tall lanky people don't belong in pits. Unless they're skank pits, then i can hold my ground. Back in May, i saw Streetlight Manifesto and there was this little kid that couldn't be much older then 10 and he was tiny and kept losing his shoe while crowd surfing. That was probably the coolest little kid i've ever seen at a show.

GoPre
24-08-2006, 01:37 AM
One time while seeing Saosin I saw this 250 poundish close to 7 foot guy trashing.

Swordsman
24-08-2006, 01:46 AM
Hehe, that's sort of cool and lame at the same time i think. I sort of think there's a code to moshing, and if you don't follow it then you're a complete douche.

Arbery
24-08-2006, 10:18 AM
i hate them...lots n lots. Annoying vocals, boring music and they have an annoying fan base...3 good reasons to hate them

Hazzle
24-08-2006, 10:24 AM
The bass line in "Give Em Hell Kid"

One much better reason TO like them ;)

I'll give you "annoying fanbase" because I'm a fan :p

Just been listening to more MCR after a long absence and realised that they're a lot better than I thought. That's probably because I get bored if I hear a band over and over (even happens when its bands like Muse) and the same thing happened to me listening to MCR. But the music is not boring. And to be fair, even Matt Bellamy's vocals get annoying to me when I listen to Muse too much. Same with any decent vocalist.

On that basis then, you really do all suck and they, most definitely, do not.

acliff
24-08-2006, 11:01 AM
Exactly. I hate that.

I actually do find that when kids are at gigs they're vicious little bastards in the mosh. In my case I don't have to worry about hurting them as I'm smaller than 9 year olds ;)

The younger smaller people feel as if the way to hold their ground and stand up to the moshing seniors is by creating a whole lot of violence. Which is damn frustrating, but on the other hand, they usually end up getting elbow dropped by some 6"5 man mountain.
Which might be considered too much like "2 eyes for an eye" for some, until you come across these little bastards running around bent in two swinging their fists at groin height. Oh man, that boy got busted that day.

hasselbrad
24-08-2006, 12:29 PM
they usually end up getting elbow dropped by some 6"5 man mountain.
http://www.tvacres.com/images/lurch_butler3a.jpg
You rannnnnng?

acliff
24-08-2006, 12:40 PM
http://www.tvacres.com/images/lurch_butler3a.jpg
You rannnnnng?

Just find yourself a napalm death T shirt and some chains, and you'll do in a pinch

Swordsman
27-08-2006, 05:28 AM
Oh, Napalm Death will kill any thread, and make your ears bleed with their shitty music.

Liam
27-08-2006, 06:13 AM
Theres nothing wrong with Napalm Death. Its not my normal fare but they are the undisputed kings of grind-death metal.

If you want your music to come with semi-intelligent lyrics AND kick you in the chops, Napalm Death is great.

NinjaTurtleRocky
27-08-2006, 08:29 PM
MCR is a disgrace to music. I enjoy most types of music, except for country, and they are just terrible. People label them under Punk sometimes and my old punk self comes out and bashes them into oblivion. i'm big into Ska now, which is a lot less depressing and makes me happy!

Best rock band of all time: The Beatles
Best hard rock band of all time: Led Zeppelin

Swordsman
27-08-2006, 10:48 PM
Theres nothing wrong with Napalm Death. Its not my normal fare but they are the undisputed kings of grind-death metal.

If you want your music to come with semi-intelligent lyrics AND kick you in the chops, Napalm Death is great.

Meh, with metal bands i really don't give two shits what the lyrics are. I'm more looking at the musical aspect. If i really like the band i'lll check out the lyrics, but for metal, it's all about the music, to me. I'm more about melodic grindcore. Gettin' really into Floor.

Hazzle
28-08-2006, 01:55 PM
Best rock band of all time: The Beatles
Best hard rock band of all time: Led Zeppelin

Heh.

Anyone who holds either of those opinions isn't allowed to express a view on music.

The Beatles are a horrifically cliched choice and Lennon was better solo.

And Zeppelin weren't really hard rock at all. They had their moments, but that's all.

Definitely would place Nirvana and The Who as better bands than both.

For hard rock it's hard to look past Metallica.

acliff
28-08-2006, 03:59 PM
Heh.

Anyone who holds either of those opinions isn't allowed to express a view on music.

The Beatles are a horrifically cliched choice and Lennon was better solo.

And Zeppelin weren't really hard rock at all. They had their moments, but that's all.

Definitely would place Nirvana and The Who as better bands than both.

For hard rock it's hard to look past Metallica.

Beatles weren't really rock imo, they were more pop. When pop was good.

And Haz, Zeppelin was pretty much the best rock band ever. As you say, not hard rock, but they pretty much rock more than any band to have ever existed.

Metallica is more metal.

Swordsman
28-08-2006, 10:41 PM
Zepplin can suck my balls. For the most part so can Metallica. I disagree with almost everything past their first album. Fugazi and Minutemen triumph.

Hazzle
29-08-2006, 09:50 AM
Beatles weren't really rock imo, they were more pop. When pop was good.

And Haz, Zeppelin was pretty much the best rock band ever. As you say, not hard rock, but they pretty much rock more than any band to have ever existed.

Metallica is more metal.

I'd agree with most of that, The Beatles were pop, and Metallica were metal (though I'd say the line between hard rock and metal is fine at best), and Zep were most definitely not hard rock.

Obviously I think The Who were better than Zeppelin but it's a close thing. I remember when I was 18 I thought Zeppelin were better than The Who but I've changed my mind on that since. I suppose that's because I used to be more lead guitar-orientated and rated Zeppelin higher because of Page. But an appreciation for the Bass has lead me to appreciate Entwistle as the genius he was.

Put it this way, The Who inspired bands like The Clash and Zeppelin themselves. They've been an influence through 3 decades. Their plaque at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame says it all. "From mod rockers to rock operas to hard rock, The Who reigned triumphant as prime contenders, in the minds of many, for the title of World's Greatest Rock Band." Not only were they harder rock than Zeppelin, but they're genuine contenders for that title, and only the Beatles and Stones receive similar accolades in the Hall Of Fame. For me The Who were better than both.

Eddie Vedder probably put it best: "The one thing that disgusts me about The Who is the way they smashed through every door in the unchartered hallway of rock 'n' roll without leaving much more than some debris for the rest of us to lay claim to."

Nirvana were distinctly underrated too. Cobain was a guitar virtuoso rivalled only by a fellow Seattle legend, Jimi Hendrix. I think all young musicians should do what he did and study The Beatles from a young age, and then adapt that style as they take on more advanced musicial influences. The Beatles were the best writers of a "hook" in the business, and whilst not as technically gifted, they had two genuinely great songwriters in Harrison and Lennon, perfect education for a young songwriter.

Novoselic was a very talented bassist, but never really liked the business. His post Nirvana music is very very good and indicates that had he chosen to join Foo Fighters when offered the chance, they would've been a far better band (which is saying a lot as they're a damn fine band as it is). The only reason few people have heard of him since is because he's chosen to stay out of the spotlight. His political work is commendable too. And Dave Grohl. What can you say about him that hasn't been said? Drummer, guitarist, vocalist, songwriter, two massively successful bands (three if you count his stint on the drums with QOTSA). A musical legend, no doubt.

Three great musicians that came together in a band where they were like brothers. They meshed perfectly and Nirvana deserve recognition as a great band.

Arbery
29-08-2006, 10:19 AM
Theres some good points in that post Haz...apart from one...Cobain was NOT a guitar virtuso...just a good songwriter! I didn't really like Nirvana though, none of their stuff really grabs me. And they wouldn't have been much until they got Ghrol on drums...he certainly gave them the groove and beat needed.

Hazzle
29-08-2006, 10:45 AM
Meh. Cobain could produce sounds out of a guitar noone else can. Much like Hendrix. That would be my criteria for virtuoso, but as a guitarist yourself, you have your own, and I wouldn't presume to tell you anything about playing an instrument you actually play. Even I'm not that arrogant ;)

Grohl was a huge part of Nirvana's strength. It's no surprise that their best work came after he joined. Crover was crap (Melvins reject says it all really) and Channing was pretty poor, which is why they fired him. But on Bleach you can hear that Kurt and Krist had loads of talent, with or without Grohl. And just before Grohl they had Dan Peters from Mudhoney who was very talented. Can't really hear it on "Sliver" which is so heavily influenced by Krist's bass (and the song that confirms him as an excellent bassist), but I liked Mudhoney back in the day.

GoPre
29-08-2006, 08:27 PM
Theres nothing wrong with Napalm Death. Its not my normal fare but they are the undisputed kings of grind-death metal.

If you want your music to come with semi-intelligent lyrics AND kick you in the chops, Napalm Death is great.

I recommend that you listen to the Black Dahlia Murder, I think you would like them.