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acliff
04-07-2006, 08:35 PM
Right, I'm contemplating an upgrade, and as I know some of you have some knowledge, you can help me build this thing.

I want to keep my x800xt agp for the time being. Other than that, I want 2gb of ram, a cheap athlon 64 (socket 939) a cheap but fairly sizeable sata hard drive. Also I want a sexy, but slightly diminutive case, with a near silent PSU and motherboard to link all the above.
I will be wanting to upgrade to PCI express later on, so the motherboard will probably be the ASROCK SATA-II dual. (the agp and pci express combo motherboard for only 50 quid).

Total budget of 350-400 quid. Discuss.

Digital_Ice
04-07-2006, 08:51 PM
£400... blimey erm, yes...

OEM AMD Athlon 64 3000+ - £65
Akasa Heat Sink - £30
Retail ASrock SATA-II dual - £50
Retail Corsair 2GB DDR Value Select PC3200 - £130
OEM Western Digital 200GB SATA - £55

rip the optical drives out of the old unit.
and that leaves you £70 for a case & psu... :icon_err:

frodo1511
04-07-2006, 09:04 PM
How much are 64 X2 CPU chips in England? If you're willing to spend the money, I'd highly recommend looking into a dual-core CPU-games will be requiring dual cores soon.

Digital_Ice
04-07-2006, 09:32 PM
they range from
£170 for an OEM X2 3800
to
£570 for a Retail FX60

acliff
04-07-2006, 10:00 PM
If I was after dual core, I would wait a bit till I could get the Intel variety. From the sounds of it they are the dogs bollocks.

Athlon 64 3000 RETAIL 62
ASRock Sata-II 50
G Skill cas2 2gb (2x1gb) 140
DVD Writer - 25
OEM Maxtor DiamondMAX 250gb sataII 16mb cache - 54
Antec P150, or Sonata II - 80

Thats 411.

That will be used with a raptor 74gb, x800xt overclocked.
The shuttle PC that they were in will be used to build someone else a cheap pc. (worth 400 :P:P:P)

Opinions on the above?
I'm planning to overclock the a64 to about 2.4ghz at least, 2.6ghz will probably require better cooling than stock. The x800xt is fairly overclockable, I may decide later on to get an alternative GPU fan.

I would go the shuttle route again, but as I like my quiet, when I come across some money, I might get a watercooling kit. Coupled with the antec case's extreme quietness, I should be in bliss.

Digital_Ice
04-07-2006, 10:07 PM
I'm planning to overclock the a64 to about 2.4ghz at least, 2.6ghz will probably require better cooling than stock.

i was about to say! dont go overclocking using basic AMD coolers.

ryan
04-07-2006, 10:28 PM
with silence comes heat
with heat comes instability


i would have fought you over the x800 purcahse when you made it because i like everything about nvidia's products and dislike pretty much everything about ati's products.

i would get a WD 2500 or 3200 se16 harddrive. they're much better performers than any other non-10k rpm drive out there.

acliff
04-07-2006, 11:15 PM
with silence comes heat
with heat comes instability


i would have fought you over the x800 purcahse when you made it because i like everything about nvidia's products and dislike pretty much everything about ati's products.

i would get a WD 2500 or 3200 se16 harddrive. they're much better performers than any other non-10k rpm drive out there.

There is a fairly good compromise between heat, silence and instability. It depends on the case, the case setup, the chip and the overclocking.

Well at the time, the x800xt was the most powerful card I could get into my shuttle, that didn't take up 2 slots. The 6800 ultras were two slot cooled. The 6800gt, even when overclocked wasn't quite up to the speed of the x800xt. Oh, and the x800xt ran cooler. If I had a larger case when I bought it, I would have considered nvidia.

I am a fan of western digital as well, but the maxtor is on offer. I'll see what prices different retailers have. My windows install will be on the raptor.

Liam
05-07-2006, 06:37 AM
I just bought a 10k rpm 150gb Raptor and its fucking awesome. Photoshop loads in 3 seconds.

We use Intel dual cores at work for the engineering render stations and I cant see any real difference between those and my X2 Athlon. The Athlon X2 will drop into any S939 board with a bios update so you may be tempted to wait and pick one of those up. If you could find an AM2 motherboard with the dual AGP/PCI-e that would give you the better upgrade path but I haven't seen any like that. Besides, you arent going to be able to go down the SLI road anyway if you want to keep the x800, unless you go for something like a GeForce 7950.

The 3000+ is well overclockable and the stock AMD coolers do a good job of keeping heat under control. Its only 1.8Ghz out of the box though, so there is no way you will get to 2.4Ghz without very specialised cooling. 2Ghz would be an achievable target on stock coolers, 2.4Ghz would be right up the in the realm of liquid cooling. My brother runs a 3200+ which cost me under 200 bucks when I bought it (5 months ago?) with a 6600gt and the performance blows me away. For the price its an outstanding machine.

As far as your other post goes, I have 4gb of G.Skill and its great stuff. I got my 4gb of the upper-model stuff for $460 (about 180 quid) though, so you might want to check around for a better price. 130 quid for 2gb sounds wrong.

acliff
05-07-2006, 07:28 AM
I just bought a 10k rpm 150gb Raptor and its fucking awesome. Photoshop loads in 3 seconds.

We use Intel dual cores at work for the engineering render stations and I cant see any real difference between those and my X2 Athlon. The Athlon X2 will drop into any S939 board with a bios update so you may be tempted to wait and pick one of those up. If you could find an AM2 motherboard with the dual AGP/PCI-e that would give you the better upgrade path but I haven't seen any like that. Besides, you arent going to be able to go down the SLI road anyway if you want to keep the x800, unless you go for something like a GeForce 7950.

The 3000+ is well overclockable and the stock AMD coolers do a good job of keeping heat under control. Its only 1.8Ghz out of the box though, so there is no way you will get to 2.4Ghz without very specialised cooling. 2Ghz would be an achievable target on stock coolers, 2.4Ghz would be right up the in the realm of liquid cooling. My brother runs a 3200+ which cost me under 200 bucks when I bought it (5 months ago?) with a 6600gt and the performance blows me away. For the price its an outstanding machine.

As far as your other post goes, I have 4gb of G.Skill and its great stuff. I got my 4gb of the upper-model stuff for $460 (about 180 quid) though, so you might want to check around for a better price. 130 quid for 2gb sounds wrong.

From net reports it suggests the 3000 venice core overclocks to stupid levels on the stock cooler. I've heard 2.4, 2.5, 2.6. 2.8 on watercooling.
I kinda want the Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 90nm, but its probably out of budget for the moment.

I don't need to go down the SLI route, and I want to retain my x800xt for as long as possible. The 400 quid budget is a projected amount that I will be getting, meaning as long as I stay there, its a free upgrade. I can't afford to buy above that for now. Once I finish Uni, I'll treat myself to a veritable monster of a PC that will last me eons, but for now, I feel I should get rid of that athlon xp 3200, and get 2gb of pc4000 ram. Instead of dual core, or pci-e or SLI, a second monitor would be more helpful. (2 24 inch wide screens you say? mmmm)

2.5ghz a64 with 250mhz fsb with good Ram timings 1:1 would be ideal :)

Liam
05-07-2006, 09:02 AM
2 x 24? Bloody hell. You'll need a new desk :P

People say the difference from 1gb to 2gb isnt noticeable but thats a load of shit. Try BF2 with 1gb as opposed to 2. The only reason I went for 4 is that my computer will temporarily be driving the main network system and graphics for a complex flight simulation project which will be running Vista extreme and FS10, plus addons. It will be used :)

2.5Ghz clock from a 3000+ would be outstanding. I'm not sure what the L2 cache sizes on the single core A64s are but if its the same as the X2 a 2.5Ghz 3000+ would perform pure mathematical calculations roughly on par with my X2 4400+. My advantage lies further down the track but by the time the dual core software hits you will have your monster PC.

You'll be surprised how quiet the stock A64 coolers are: even on 5000rpm (they tend to scale speeds automatically, even with cool and quiet disabled) its pretty good. Generally inaudible cause if my fan is required to run at 5000rpm, I'm gaming. And speakers > CPU cooler. Its not laptop-silent, but its quiet enough.

One thing to keep in mind regarding AM2 sockets is the much lower power consumption: 62W on AM2 as opposed to 87W on S939. Lower wattage = less heat = more overclocking room.

acliff
03-08-2006, 07:31 AM
OK I have purchased my computer which will be trickling through the British Mail maze fairly soon.

Case: Antec P150
Motherboard: Asrock 775Dual-VSTA
Processor: Core2Duo E6300
RAM: GSKill 2gb PC6400 ZX 4-4-4-12 DDR2
CPU Fan: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 250gb sataII
and accessories for about 520 quid.

Once it arrives, it should be very pretty, very quiet, and excitingly fast. For those who are interested, the Asrock 775Dual-VSTA is the only motherboard which allows for Core2Duo chips, DDR2 ram and AGP card. I am using my x800xt until directx 10 cards become more affordable and I decide to get Vista. By that time buying a new motherboard should be cheap in comparison, and all my currently components should fit. Besides Nforce5 or the new ATI solution will be out, so I'll wait for those.