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kingdumbass
10-05-2006, 05:45 AM
http://contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/knightleys%20ex%20writes%20song%20about%20her_10_0 5_2006#

KEIRA KNIGHTLEY's (http://contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/knightleys%20ex%20writes%20song%20about%20her_10_0 5_2006#) former lover JAMIE DORNAN has cashed in on their romance (http://contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/knightleys%20ex%20writes%20song%20about%20her_10_0 5_2006#) by writing a song about the British actress. The Irish model enjoyed a two-year romance with the PRIDE + PREJUDICE beauty, but bailed when her escalating fame put pressure on the relationship. He says, "The song hurts so much when I sing it. I'm in so much pain afterwards. "It's about the difficult times in a relationship, everyone has them - I still speak to Keira, we were so in love." Of his failed relationship with Knightley he says, "I was intimidated by certain things that came with her fame and I began to feel out of my depth. "It's still hard to talk about."
10/05/2006 02:48

Blah blah blah blah....
Dude, quit being a putz. That's MY job.

BrunoJA
10-05-2006, 02:01 PM
"The song hurts so much when I sing it. I'm in so much pain afterwards."

I actually feel a little bit sorry for this guy.

A little. At the end of the day, he still dated her for two years. So, in theory, he should be able to die happy.

I'll be interested to hear what the song's like, though lol

Pearl
10-05-2006, 02:46 PM
I can imagine it'd be hard to say: Yeah, I used to date Keira Knightley, now I'm dating the girl from the burger joint. But atleast she doesn't make me feel intimidated!

What a loser.

Jacoby
10-05-2006, 03:44 PM
The song hurts so much when I sing it...

I'm sure it hurts a lot of other people, too, you talentless prick.

Pearl
10-05-2006, 03:52 PM
Clearly he's trying to cash in on being Keira's ex. The jackass dumped her because he was jealous of her.

BrunoJA
10-05-2006, 06:18 PM
Yeah, I used to date Keira Knightley, now I'm dating the girl from the burger joint.
Lindsay Lohan, the girl from the burger joint...it's all the same lol

The guy's just rather pathetic.

kingdumbass
10-05-2006, 06:20 PM
This is what ananova.com says:

"Dornan has written a song, called Only On The Outside, to express his feelings. It includes the lines: "I can see your fancy friends trying to steal your innocence... you're so weak around them." "

BrunoJA
10-05-2006, 06:25 PM
Interesting...but doesn't he have fancy friends trying to steal his innocence, too? lol

kingdumbass
10-05-2006, 06:43 PM
Actually, maybe this guy isn't so bad....
Perhaps he can offer us honest, insightful commentary as Hollywood destroys Keira Knightley.

BrunoJA
10-05-2006, 06:46 PM
Great.

Pearl
10-05-2006, 08:20 PM
This is what ananova.com says:

"Dornan has written a song, called Only On The Outside, to express his feelings. It includes the lines: "I can see your fancy friends trying to steal your innocence... you're so weak around them." "

Sounds kind of insulting. But meh, there has to be more too it.

JacK of all trades
12-05-2006, 05:14 AM
Actually, maybe this guy isn't so bad....
Perhaps he can offer us honest, insightful commentary as Hollywood destroys Keira Knightley.

...Nothing will destroy KK whilst I am around...:read:

kingdumbass
12-05-2006, 07:15 AM
You can hear the song in question here....

http://www.popworldpromotes.com/pages/artist?85E2F178-CC1B-48E9-9492-34C2B1F0BA10

It's not a bad song. Not GREAT, but not bad, either.

Leonie
12-05-2006, 08:55 AM
Awesome song. I love it. Nice and mellow. If Muse turned out this way I could live with it more than with their new trippy girlband image :icon_bigg

Now I'm going to say something a lot of you might take offence from. I think I can see Jamie Dornan's point here. It looks like Keira has been pulled in by Hollywood. Plus, it looks a bit as though she's got her career planned down to boyfriends and any other kind of exposure. She seems like a project to me these days, not the laid back London girl with a sense of humour she once had. Pity.

"Was it faith, was it true
Was I only on the outside
Every time
You smiled that way at me
Was I close, was I near
Was I only on the outside?"

If I compare the Keira in interviews these days to the Keira from the very beginning, before Pirates, before all that... she seems to try so very hard to charm everyone: smile, giggle, blush on cue. I have lately had real trouble believing this image of herself she is portraying. It's a real pity that she seems so thought up and planned these days, like there's a strategy at the root of everything she does.

Just my two cents. Still think she's OK, but I much preferred Keira three years ago.

kingdumbass
12-05-2006, 09:08 AM
I can't help but feel a little bad for him now....
Damnit. Must remember...that he's...exploiting...his and her pain. Arrg! Must fight it.

Anyway, there must be something about Keira, in general. This Jamie dude's still thinking about her, and I remember reading that her other ex-boyfriend, Del Synot, attempted suicide after their breakup. Now, I know that they both denied it, but...you know. She's doing something to these guys, man! She's the type of chick who gets into a dude's brain, and destroys him. That kind of love is a cancer on the soul of all men. We can't cope with it. Resist the siren! Don't look directly into her eyes!

Idle
12-05-2006, 09:36 AM
If I compare the Keira in interviews these days to the Keira from the very beginning, before Pirates, before all that... she seems to try so very hard to charm everyone: smile, giggle, blush on cue. I have lately had real trouble believing this image of herself she is portraying. It's a real pity that she seems so thought up and planned these days, like there's a strategy at the root of everything she does.
Could you give some specific examples?
Because if you compare, say, her Leno appearance promoting Pirates in 2003 with the recent Isaac interview I really don't see much of a difference.

Pearl
12-05-2006, 07:12 PM
I kind of feel his pain now. Keira is ruled by hollywood nowadays after all. He sounds like he didn't feel like he was good enough for her.

But it's wrong to exploit your ex like that for fame and fortune. Also the song sounded somewhat bitter towards her.

Jacoby
12-05-2006, 07:34 PM
Eh, I thought the song was pretty lame. The description of the band was pretty dead on. Folk with a 'commercial' edge.

Not the worst stuff out there, but there's so much of the same right now.

fandekeira
12-05-2006, 07:38 PM
i agree wth leonie about jamie but about keira attitude i cant cus i didnt really know her before potc i only know her well for 2 years!

BrunoJA
14-05-2006, 06:11 AM
Ah, kingdumbass...so true.

But I'm not really sure what you're talking, Leonie...

Leonie
14-05-2006, 11:26 AM
Watch the interview on the DVD of Bend It Like Beckham. Done? Now watch any interview from the Domino premiere, or from the Oscars, or anywhere. It seems so rehearsed, so unspontaneous, so conform the Hollywood protocol. Watch her Regis & Kelly (is that it) interview promoting the first PotC. Done? Now watch her promoting King Arthur in America a year later, or the Jacket, or Domino. I think she's changed hugely.

That said, I don't really care enough to try to change minds of people who will probably disagree with me no matter what. I've been a Keira fan for 3 years and a bit now. She's gone from being very, very down to earth, so *real* to... losing a lot of those qualities I liked most about here. Sure, she's also matured, but she herself said that she reached the peak of her maturity at age 15 and has been getting younger ever since. I can't tell.

That's all I have to say. I don't really care if anyone agrees or not, I don't feel like arguing with a mob of Keira fans who compete in a thread to prove how much they love her :icon_razz These are my feelings concerning Keira's changing throughout the years, as Hollywood found out about KKW's little secret. Whether you agree or not... don't really care.

kingdumbass
14-05-2006, 12:06 PM
I follow you, except the thing about "KKW's Little Secret"....
What does that mean?

Leonie
14-05-2006, 12:09 PM
I follow you, except the thing about "KKW's Little Secret"....
What does that mean?

Long before Hollywood discovered Keira, long before the masses did, it felt like we at KKW were the only people who knew about her, like she was our little brilliant secret :)

She was very, very cool, and we seemed the only people who realised it. I'm not saying she's not cool anymore, but to me, she has lost a lot of her appeal in slowly conforming to Hollywood's standard interview layout in the last few years.

kingdumbass
14-05-2006, 12:25 PM
I see what you're talking about....
But I still like her. Perhaps she will assert herself at some point, and fire the sylists, publicists, etc.

As far as interviews are concerned -- I can't quite blame her for closing up with those. We all know simply from observing Keira that anything even remotely remarkable that she might say in an interview will be taken and twisted into a million different things by gossip rags, etc. If I were in her position, I would probably decide that it's better to just stick to the script, also.

Remember her appearance on The Daily Show not too long ago? It was the closest thing to a recent Keira interview that almost took on a spontaneous feel, and it did not go well at all. Seemed like Keira had gotten so used to answering the same questions over and over again that she was totally taken by surprise when Jon Stewart went off in another direction. Very uncomfortable. I doubt we'll be seeing her on that show again....

Idle
14-05-2006, 12:45 PM
Watch the interview on the DVD of Bend It Like Beckham. Done? Now watch any interview from the Domino premiere, or from the Oscars, or anywhere. It seems so rehearsed, so unspontaneous, so conform the Hollywood protocol. Watch her Regis & Kelly (is that it) interview promoting the first PotC. Done? Now watch her promoting King Arthur in America a year later, or the Jacket, or Domino. I think she's changed hugely.

I think you're comparing apples and oranges a bit here. A behind-the-scenes interview for a small British indie movie is a vastly different thing from a red carpet interview at the Oscars.

The two Regis and Kelly interviews she's done - for Pirates in 2003 and for P&P in 2005 don't strike me as very different. Although of course she's no longer an 18 year old girl doing promotional work for the very first time.

Leonie
14-05-2006, 01:00 PM
Then, following your logic, I can't compare any older Keira stuff to any newer Keira stuff. After all, the girl's gone from being an Indie-movie girl to a film star. Apples and oranges. My point exactly.

Idle
14-05-2006, 01:24 PM
Then, following your logic, I can't compare any older Keira stuff to any newer Keira stuff. After all, the girl's gone from being an Indie-movie girl to a film star. Apples and oranges. My point exactly.
Not so. You could compare behind-the-scenes stuff from from different movies. That would make more sense than comparing a bts interview to a red carpet "who made your dress" thing.
I'd agree that the bts stuff she did for P&P was more serious, polished and professional than what she did for Beckham. But not miles apart from the bts interview for Zhivago, for example.

And apart from finishing the third Pirates movie, she's got three indies lined up. None of them to be shot in Hollywood.

Leonie
14-05-2006, 01:28 PM
Not the point. No matter how many indies she does now, she's no longer an indie girl. I haven't seen Keira get offended by the milk in her tea for years now. Or tell people that "Beckham is a God."

Even behind the scenes stuff has changed. Much more polished, much less sincere. You disagree. More power to ya.

BrunoJA
14-05-2006, 01:39 PM
Leonie, if you've been a fan for only about three years, then she was already something of a film star...

Anyway, I don't think starting to conform to "Hollywood's standard interview layout" is a huge change lol

Isn't it really that she's not a secret anymore?

Leonie
14-05-2006, 01:49 PM
Only about three years? I think that was well before stardom. She'd only just signed up to Pirates, and Bend It Like Beckham wasn't the sleeper hit it became in the US yet.

But sure, yeah, that's it. Let me guess, you study psychology :icon_razz

BrunoJA
14-05-2006, 02:00 PM
"Well before stardom"? Wasn't Pirates released summer 2003?

And no, I don't study psychology lol

Leonie
14-05-2006, 02:09 PM
... I think I'm going to do something useful with my time.

You're all right. I'm horribly bitter and very wrong. None of my arguments made any sense, and I'm being unfair to perfect Keira, who I haven't been a fan of for long at all, so I have no idea what I'm on about.

Right, shower time.

BrunoJA
14-05-2006, 02:12 PM
Damn...no one said she's perfect or that you're being unfair. I just don't really understand where you're coming from.

Have a good shower. :)

Leonie
14-05-2006, 02:26 PM
And I anticipated that. At the very start of this "discussion." Like I said, I know I can't convince any of you, and I don't even care enough to want to.

No matter which "proof" I come up with, you won't see what I see, because you won't want to see what I see.

BrunoJA
14-05-2006, 02:28 PM
Now that's unfair...

Leonie
14-05-2006, 02:33 PM
Because?

All I'm saying is that I'm obviously seeing something quite differently from you. It's a well-established psychological fact that everyone sees what suits their mindset. It is impossible to measure spontaneity objectively. Hence, discussing this seems pointless.

What's so unfair?

BrunoJA
14-05-2006, 02:36 PM
You're saying I can't see things how they really are. That's unfair. I'm fully capable of seeing things from other points of view. What makes your POV so unmotivated, anyway?

And don't bring psychology into this. :p

Idle
14-05-2006, 02:42 PM
Not the point. No matter how many indies she does now, she's no longer an indie girl.
She's never going to be an unknown again. Is that a problem?

I haven't seen Keira get offended by the milk in her tea for years now. Or tell people that "Beckham is a God."
No. Now she's telling Regis that he sounds like Dick van Dyke and playing "Raindrops Keep Falling on my Head" on her teeth.

You're all right. I'm horribly bitter and very wrong. None of my arguments made any sense, and I'm being unfair to perfect Keira...
I just really, honestly don't understand what it is you're seeing. Noone is claiming she's perfect. But she wasn't perfect when she was a 16-year old unknown either.

She seems somewhat more mature and professional now than four years ago, of course, but the overall impression I get is pretty much the same as it always has been

Leonie
14-05-2006, 02:47 PM
I AM saying that, yes. If you'll allow me, from a psychological view, there is NO such thing as objectivity. You can see other views, sure, but you can't SEE them as you view your own.

This discussion of Keira's spontaneity is therefore quite handicapped. Not only you, but I too, cannot look at videos etc. from an objective point of view. For me, what's put me off Keira is the constant pouting extraordinaire. She's always done it a bit, and it never bothered me, but by now, it's starting to look stupid. Keira, hon, if you're not constipated, stop trying to look that way. You have beautiful lips just the way they are. If it's indeed "something you do when you're nervous," you must be near a nervous breakdown. I can see why Jamie sings that people in Hollywood seem to have a massive influence on Keira.

Yes, she's still being all adorable. It seems she's studied hard to cultivate it. To cultivate the pout, the giggle, the British accent, the coyness. I'm not buying it.

Why is my point of view so unmotivated? Because I realise that trying to discuss this on a Keira Knightley fan forum means I'm outnumbered. Moreover, I'm not a Jehova's witness - I don't give a damn if you believe me, or not at all. I haven't made it my personal crusade to make you all see my point and be put off Keira as well. I said something, you asked for an explanation, I explained my point of view, and I've been told it's wrong based on the same evidence I used to back it up. The evidence hasn't changed, the point of view in looking at it has, and is the only difference between the two viewings.

Why am I unmotivated? I'm long over Keira. I tried to say something, the fan brigade clearly disagrees. Now all hold hands and smile, because I don't give a flying fuck :)

BrunoJA
14-05-2006, 02:54 PM
You DO seem rather bitter, actually. That seems like a motivation right there lol

You say you can't be objective, yet you also say your view is unmotivated...and I don't see how being outnumbered makes your view more valid.

And you know, just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean that person's part of the "fan brigade."

Pearl
14-05-2006, 03:17 PM
Leonie, point in case, no one is considered a fan unless you are a Keira ass kisser. See my thread on this:

http://www.keiraknightley.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2468

How dare you say something negative about Keira! I shall burn you in oil!

BrunoJA
14-05-2006, 03:28 PM
...except no one is saying anything like that...

Idle
14-05-2006, 03:32 PM
Leonie, point in case, no one is considered a fan unless you are a Keira ass kisser
....
How dare you say something negative about Keira! I shall burn you in oil!
That's not my point at all.
I don't mind that Leonie dislikes Keira. It's none of my business telling anyone else what they should or should not like.

But when it's said that there has been a change in Keira's behaviour and I don't see it then I think it's fair enough to debate the matter. Just to clarify everyones positions and find out exactly what it is we're seeing differently. Not because we must end up all agreeing.

Idle
14-05-2006, 03:39 PM
For me, what's put me off Keira is the constant pouting extraordinaire. She's always done it a bit, and it never bothered me, but by now, it's starting to look stupid.
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth so correct me if I'm wrong.
But isn't what you're saying here that it's you who's changed and not Keira?
Which would be fair enough, but would also explain why the change could be hard for others to see.

Pearl
14-05-2006, 03:44 PM
You know this makes me wonder, if Keira weren't as beautiful as she is, how many of you would go to such great lengths to defend her 'honor' because someone had a negative opinion on her.

And don't say it's because she's a great actress or has a great personality. Kate Winslet has is a MUCH better actress and is a great person but no one defends her tooth and nail when someone says she's a fat ass.

BrunoJA
14-05-2006, 03:50 PM
Well, now you're getting into why we even like her. Which I can't neatly answer.

By the way, I don't think anyone here is trying to "defend her honor" in this discussion...and believe me, there are plenty of Kate Winslet fans. They're just over at KW Wavefront, or something. :p

Idle
14-05-2006, 03:50 PM
Kate Winslet has is a MUCH better actress and is a great person
Do you know her personally?
but no one defends her tooth and nail when someone says she's a fat ass.
Why don't you try it? I'm quite sure you'll find that you're mistaken.

Pearl
14-05-2006, 04:10 PM
Do you know her personally?

Do you know Keira personally?

Idle
14-05-2006, 04:21 PM
Do you know Keira personally?
No. I also haven't claimed to know that Keira is a great person. How could I when I don't know her?

So, do you know Kate Winslett personally?
Or are you just a fan because she's beautiful? ;)

BrunoJA
14-05-2006, 04:23 PM
Why is it this is going nowhere? lol

Pearl
14-05-2006, 04:41 PM
Because fanboys just refuse to admit their fandom and move on with their lives?

BrunoJA
14-05-2006, 04:53 PM
Uh...I only see people trying to reasonably discuss something with a few people pulling out the "irrational fan" card before the discussion even starts...

And I think fandom is admitted by all posting on a Keira Knightley fansite.

kingdumbass
15-05-2006, 12:04 AM
I like Keira more when she's not all glammed up....
Lookee here. Below is link to the blog of someone who met Keira in Rome just a few weeks ago, and got a pic with her. I think Keira looks prettier in this pic than she has in several months, and part of the reason is that she's not trying. And she looks so young!

http://karahope.blogspot.com/2006/04/good-friday.html

BrunoJA
15-05-2006, 12:19 AM
I like everyone better when they aren't glammed up...

Swordsman
15-05-2006, 02:03 AM
She looks like better when she's not "glammed up" because she looks like a real person. That's why a lot of people get an infatuation with her for a while and end up here.

Back to Leonie's thing, she's a blockbuster actress now there's gonna be more "die hard" fans with every movie she makes now.

baldinio13
15-05-2006, 04:07 AM
Keira Knightley is the most beautiful person in the world! no doubt.. i dont know her.. and i dont care! i like her for her looks

BrunoJA
15-05-2006, 04:26 AM
A good enough reason lol

kingdumbass
15-05-2006, 08:46 AM
You know this makes me wonder, if Keira weren't as beautiful as she is, how many of you would go to such great lengths to defend her 'honor' because someone had a negative opinion on her.

And don't say it's because she's a great actress or has a great personality. Kate Winslet has is a MUCH better actress and is a great person but no one defends her tooth and nail when someone says she's a fat ass.

Do you REALLY know that Kate Winslet is a better actress than Keira Knightley?
Let's say that "Titanic" was being made RIGHT NOW, and Keira was given Kate's role. Do you really KNOW that she wouldn't be just as great as Kate was? No, you don't.

There is simply something compelling about Keira, which is why she attracts interest. Even her detractors seem to know an awful lot about her, which is telling. People notice her, and she gets a reaction out of them. Is Keira really a good actress? Well, I think she is, but objectively speaking, that question has not been TOTALLY answered yet. However, it WILL be answered in the next year or so, which is part of what interests me about Knightley. She has shown flashes of brilliance in recent films, and her performances AS A WHOLE may or may not have been great. I want to see what she does next.

As far as defending her -- I see her attacked in all sorts of ridiculously unfair ways in various quarters. I say fuck that. I will viciously attack anyone who talks shit, and doesn't know what they're saying.

Truth told, I think that Keira will be the next Kate Winslet.

hasselbrad
15-05-2006, 12:52 PM
Long before Hollywood discovered Keira, long before the masses did, it felt like we at KKW were the only people who knew about her, like she was our little brilliant secret :)

She was very, very cool, and we seemed the only people who realised it. I'm not saying she's not cool anymore, but to me, she has lost a lot of her appeal in slowly conforming to Hollywood's standard interview layout in the last few years.

You sound like an R.E.M. fan. ;)
She's still a hell of a lot cooler and normal than 99% of the actresses I've seen. Most of the "conforming" comes from the format of the show. When she goes on Leno or Letterman, there are certain things the studio wants her to say and there are certain formats that each of those talk shows follow to that end. That's why the 'cleavage painting' story gets told over and over. It fits their format for the type of (safely) humorous story that works for them. They know it's going to get a laugh.
Put Keira on Ellen DeGeneres' show, and she plays Raindrops Keep Fallin' On My Head on her teeth. Ellen's show is more of a reflection of her style and personality, which, in turn, reveals her guest's personality.

once_dreaded
15-05-2006, 05:52 PM
I listened to the song...dude wrote a after-the-break-up song like we've heard so many times from so many other artisits. The only reason we're disecting it is because it happens to be about an actress we love. So what about the other artists that have made $$$ off of trashing their exes or discussing a break-up in song/book? There's no shame in opening up your feelings about a break-up to the world, Jamie at least did it without completely insulting Keira, I found the weak-thing uncool but that's the way Jamie sees her and he knows her SO well since he was with her for 2 years.

Gallopin' Gaucho
09-06-2006, 05:15 AM
Tupac dissed it pretty rough with Hit 'Em Up - talkin' bout Biggie and Faith Evans and claimin' to be a player but I bust ya wife

Idle
10-06-2006, 11:12 PM
Turns out the song isn't actually about Keira at all.
From The Sunday Times (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2101-2216188,00.html):
Dornan, however, denies that it is about Knightley, pointing out that he composes all of the songs with his bandmate, David Alexander. “Considering Dave and I write together, I can’t work out how it could be true,” he says.

kingdumbass
11-06-2006, 04:24 AM
Liar!!!