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kingdumbass
10-03-2006, 04:00 AM
LeonieEdit: I've gone and split this separate discussion from the original photo sightings thread, so that one can go back on topic. The pictures discussed are these: http://www.kkwavefront.org/forums/showpost.php?p=50265&postcount=911
Back to Kingdumbass' post :)



Again, she looks kind of sad....

EmotionSickness
10-03-2006, 04:57 AM
She looks annoyed to me. These are paparazzi photos, after all.

BrunoJA
10-03-2006, 06:10 AM
Jules didn't wear so much eye makeup, either...

Leonie
10-03-2006, 06:11 AM
Can I just say that she's really starting to look a bit full of herself? She's at a fucking photoshoot, of course there will be pictures taken. Yeah, they're paparazzi pics, but it's not like they're taking photos of her personal life, is it? She's starting to feel awfully sorry for herself.

BrunoJA
10-03-2006, 06:13 AM
Let's not jump to conclusions, shall we?

Leonie
10-03-2006, 06:17 AM
I'm not jumping to anything. I've been on this website, and a fan of Keira's, for about 3 years now, and this whole diva thing is completely new. I can understand why stars would be upset about having pictures of their personal life taken. This isn't it though, and she's at a photoshoot. It's part of her job. Part of the reason she's going to be on that cover is because she's famous. Part of the reason she's famous is because people like this photographer take pictures of her. She's looking awesome, she's got about a metric tonne of make up on, and the lighting and the scenery is perfect. It is not in any way evading her private life. What's with the mopy face?

BrunoJA
10-03-2006, 06:21 AM
What "diva thing"? You have no idea why she looks that way in those pictures. Maybe she's just having a bad day. Those looks could be interpreted a thousand different ways.

Leonie
10-03-2006, 06:25 AM
Perhaps you and I interprete the pictures differently, but to my mind there are at least two of them where she's looking right at the camera and giving it a filthy look. Or perhaps that is her model face. Either way, I miss happy, smiley Keira. Pouty, broody Keira? Not quite as cool.

BrunoJA
10-03-2006, 06:37 AM
Of the ones where she is looking at the photographer, only the second is big enough to really see any expression. It looks like a filthy look, I suppose, but people aren't always aware of the way they appear to others. I wouldn't assume she's become a diva just because she's scowling at a paparazzi photographer. She also looks to be scowling in the other photos.

I want happy, smiley Keira, too...I think that's what kingdumbass is talking about. She doesn't look happy, any way you look at it.

Leonie
10-03-2006, 06:40 AM
As a model and an actress, you know damn well what your face looks like, and how you appear. It's a key part of the job, isn't it? All I'm saying is Keira, try not to bite the hand that fed you.

BrunoJA
10-03-2006, 06:44 AM
True, she probably knows what she looks like.

However, she owes the paparazzi nothing.

Leonie
10-03-2006, 06:45 AM
"Owe" is a big word. I do think they are part of what propelled her to stardom though, and think it unwise to snub them just for the sake of snubbing them. When paparazzi invade your private life, I can see why you'd be upset. This is her doing her job though, nothing private about it. Her job entails being taken pictures of. Why get stroppy because there happens to be another git with a camera there?

Heh - if she doesn't know what she looks like, perhaps that would explain why she didn't win the Oscar? :icon_razz (I kid, I kid, no need to get upset and I thought Pride & Prejudice was brilliant :))

I'd love to discuss this further, but for now, I have to get to uni :)

BrunoJA
10-03-2006, 06:53 AM
Paparazzi be damned. Whoever took those pictures probably wasn't even supposed to be there. All they do is distract her from what she's trying to focus on--be it shopping, dining out, or making a movie. Photos taken for a photoshoot and photos taken without permission in an underhand way are very different. It's not all just photography. Paparazzi photography is unwanted. The photoshoots, on the other hand, are contracted and agreed upon by both parties.

kingdumbass
10-03-2006, 07:43 AM
Leonie....
I noticed that you used the word "Diva". Could it be that you're letting that tabloid report affect your perception?

And by the way, the Diva story printed by the Star was actually contradicted by a set designer on the set of the latest Pirates (I could find the link for you if you like). When this guy saw the story on a forum, he said it didn't describe Keira at all.

And I don't think it's unreasonable at all for her to not be in the greatest mood on a constant basis lately. The past month or so must have been pure madness for someone in her position. Stressful. And you'll notice that she was quite friendly in all of the Oscar interviews. All accounts I've heard from people who have met her in the past few weeks continue to be positive -- she was very friendly.

I think that what she needs is a vacation.

kingdumbass
10-03-2006, 07:51 AM
And one more thing....



http://community.livejournal.com/keira_daily/320923.html#cutid1

Here are some additional pictures from that shoot. She doesn't look quite so unhappy in all of them.

Idle
10-03-2006, 08:07 AM
Part of the reason she's famous is because people like this photographer take pictures of her.
No. You don't become famous because the paparazzi are following you. It's always the other way around.


She's looking awesome, she's got about a metric tonne of make up on, and the lighting and the scenery is perfect. It is not in any way evading her private life. What's with the mopy face?
So now she has an obligation to put on a fake smile if anyone within a two mile radius is carrying a camera? That's just crazy.

Liam
10-03-2006, 08:19 AM
Leonie is right.

Celebrities know full well what they are getting into with the fame thing, and I feel no sympathy whatsoever for them. They are going to cop all the attention in the world and if they are unable to deal with the unwanted attention of a few rogue photographers, then they are in the wrong job.

Suck it up princess.

kingdumbass
10-03-2006, 08:27 AM
Yeah, well this is coming from a guy who said on this board that he's in favor of Keira mutilating herself with surgery....
And here's more from the shoot:
http://www.eastnews.com.pl/news/wyniki.php?fraza=knightley


Oh, and here's some more where she's looking happy. In fact, one of these pics actually shows her stopping to take a picture with a fan. Could it just be that maybe she NOT totally miserable, and we're all just paying too close attention to every facial expression she makes because of all the recent happenings?
http://www.eastnews.com.pl/news/wyniki.php?fraza=knightley&strona=6

Idle
10-03-2006, 08:47 AM
They are going to cop all the attention in the world and if they are unable to deal with the unwanted attention of a few rogue photographers, then they are in the wrong job.

And nothing in the pictures indicates that she isn't dealing with it just fine.

But you seem to suggest that she's obliged to put on a show for the paparazzi. Nonsense, she's there to do a job.

If you took candid pictures of me during a typical working day you'd get a lot where I'm not smiling or looking particularly happy. That doesn't make me a diva or mean that I don't like what I do.

Liam
10-03-2006, 08:48 AM
:icon_rofl

In favour of mutilating herself with surgery? Perhaps you missed the sarcasm. Honestly, I don't care about what she does with her body. I don't give two shits whether she gives the photographers which only contribute to her popularity the cold shoulder. And finally I really don't care what people blinded by their fanboy-ism about a person they havent met, spoken to or interacted at all with have to say about any given topic on an internet forum.

You haven't met Keira. If you had, you wouldnt be here. You have never had any sort of interaction with her. And you never will. You are NOT qualified in any way, shape or form to make any sort of judgement call on her personality, likeability, or anything else for that matter. All you have to go on is a few interviews and the few hundred megabytes of pictures and magazine scans you have on your hard disk. And honestly? That counts for precisely two-thirds of bugger all.

kingdumbass
10-03-2006, 08:57 AM
Fair enough....
Perhaps I'm taking this chick too seriously. In fact, I most certainly am. Nevertheless, I've taken a liking to her. You're correct -- I am a hardcore fanboy at the moment, although it will eventually pass, like these things always do.

However, your words have inspired me: I'm going to go do something far more productive than obssessing over Keira Knightley for the rest of the evening:
I'm surfing porn.

Good day!

Liam
10-03-2006, 09:01 AM
Thats the spirit.

For the record, I don't mean to sound harsh. Its just best said how it is. Think for a moment if I were to buy a car that I knew would fall apart soon after purchase. Would I then have the right to get all pissy about it?

Apply that to fame and photographers.

Leonie
10-03-2006, 09:24 AM
Seems I have a lot to catch up with :icon_bigg

Leonie....
I noticed that you used the word "Diva". Could it be that you're letting that tabloid report affect your perception?

Let me start by saying that I don't take anything the Star writes seriously. I have however followed Keira's career for the past three years, and have noticed significant change in her. She seems to have lost a lot of the spontaneity I liked so much. However, she has no obligation to anyone, least of all me, to remain the same or to behave in a certain way. That said, I have every right to dislike the way she's come across lately. I'm sure she still is a lovely lady, but she seems to be conforming to Hollywood in the sense that you won't get an ad lib reply out of her these days. Which is a shame.

Here are some additional pictures from that shoot. She doesn't look quite so unhappy in all of them.

Doesn't that contradict your statement? To me, that says she's really just putting it on for the photographer of the candids, and not genuinely unhappy or desperately in need of a vacation. I'm sure she's been crazy busy, and I'm sure I wouldn't be ├╝berhappy either, but why then waste energy giving a paparazzi photographer filthy looks? Hardly seems worth it. I'd understand it more if they were taking pictures of her going about her daily business, which is indeed private, but she's being photographed *doing her job*. It's not personal, it's not private, and if Vogue feel they've lost money because of these pictures, I'm sure they'll sue Mr Paparazzi. I'd say being candidly photographed on the set of a photoshoot is the best of the worst. It's not harming Keira in any way.

Idle, you seem hell bent on taking my arguments out of context, and if you feel that's the way to discuss things then have fun on your own. The way you interprete what I said is amazingly similar to the way the Star etc. come up with nasty headlines about our beloved Keira. Good on ya.

Part of the fame is being photographed when you don't particularly want to be. It adds to your popularity, whether you like it or not. I bet some of you are first in line to have a look at whatever new photos of Keira out shopping are online. If you are so opposed to them, don't look at them.

If actors care so little about fame, and all just want to do their job, then they'd be starring in indie films that are viewed by about 9 people at a time. You know it's bollocks.

Btw, for all I know she's just looking like that cause the sun's bothering her. Who knows eh. Not the point. I think general paparazzi pictures are an invasion of privacy and not a lovely thing to trade in. This however, is about as mild as it gets, and I don't see the problem.


PS. And for clarity's sake, I ment 'invading', not 'evading' in one of my earlier posts.

Idle
10-03-2006, 09:26 AM
You haven't met Keira. If you had, you wouldnt be here. You have never had any sort of interaction with her. And you never will. You are NOT qualified in any way, shape or form to make any sort of judgement call on her personality, likeability, or anything else for that matter.
Absolutely true, but surely that goes both ways. The negative judgements you're making are equally unfounded.

Liam
10-03-2006, 09:46 AM
But I never said anything profoundly negative. I merely stated my opinion on the matter and attempted to debunk some excited over-reaction.

Leonie
10-03-2006, 09:48 AM
Let me be a bit more concise:

1. I think paparazzi photos of stars and their personal life are an invasion of privacy
2. I don't think a photoshoot is part of Keira's personal life
3. Neither is walking around in Hollywood

2 and 3 are part of her professional life, and yes, there will be the occasional photograph. That's part of being famous. Photographers have no right to follow her around as she's walking around at home, or going to the supermarket, or even taking a bunch of friends to a fancy restaurant. That's personal. This isn't.

I think she's a lovely lady, and a busy one at that, and there is no way I can 'prove' this attitude I found annoying, not conclusively, not from these pictures. Like I said, it could be the sun in her eyes or Lord knows what. Not the point. If she's not annoyed by that paparazzi dude, then it's all hypothetic.

Idle
10-03-2006, 10:05 AM
Idle, you seem hell bent on taking my arguments out of context, and if you feel that's the way to discuss things then have fun on your own. The way you interprete what I said is amazingly similar to the way the Star etc. come up with nasty headlines about our beloved Keira. Good on ya.

The Star story was a complete lie from start to finish. What have I made up?
I may have misunderstood what you said, but not wilfully so. And you'll notice that I said "it seems", indicating that what followed was my impression of your statements. If you want to correct that impression feel free to do so.



If actors care so little about fame, and all just want to do their job, then they'd be starring in indie films that are viewed by about 9 people at a time. You know it's bollocks.

That's not what I meant about doing a job, though. Obviously if you're starring in high-profile movies, going to premieres and award shows and appearing on the covers of magazines you can't then complain when you get some media attention.

My point was that these latest paparazzi photos were taken while she was working (for Vogue or whatever the magazine is). So she's obliged to do her best to look the way they want her to do in their magazine. And not to put on a show for anyone else.


Btw, for all I know she's just looking like that cause the sun's bothering her. Who knows eh. Not the point. I think general paparazzi pictures are an invasion of privacy and not a lovely thing to trade in. This however, is about as mild as it gets, and I don't see the problem.
I don't see a problem either. I was just objecting to the notion that if you look anything other than happy on a random paparazzi photo it's a sign that you're a stuck-up diva.

Leonie
10-03-2006, 10:19 AM
I think we disagree on what constitutes her private life, and on what is part of her job, but generally agree. She doesn't have to put on a happy face. She doesn't have to give them filthy looks either. Is all I'm saying :icon_razz

Thanks all for the first interesting Keira debate in about a year :icon_bigg

hasselbrad
10-03-2006, 12:39 PM
As for the photo shoot pics, if any of y'all were surrounded by stylists, art directors, photographers and the others involved in a shoot like this, all arguing over every detail, you'd look like you were passing a stone too.
:p

RUSU_IRINA_BOLERO
10-03-2006, 02:18 PM
Hi everyone!

I am IRINA, a fan of KEIRA KNIGHTLEY and I wouldlike to correspond with

people like me. I mean....people who like KEIRA.
I'm from Romania and I think that I don't write so well.....
But....that is my life....English, English, English...
Goodbye!

kingdumbass
10-03-2006, 02:31 PM
Well, I just completed a very lovely and soul-searching porn session....
Now that the pipes are clean, and I have become highly intoxicated, I seem to be viewing this situation in a more realistic light. Keira may or may not have become slightly annoyed with the insane amount of paparazzi that she's had to deal with in the past week, with the Oscars and everything. I personally doubt that I would be able to stop myself from beating the shit out of one of those soulless cretins if I had to deal with them on a constant basis, and the fact that she hasn't lashed out in some way, coupled with the fact that there have been no credible accounts of her being unpleasant to anyone, suggest that she's actually managing pretty well. What, is she supposed to have a fucking smile on her face at all times?

Her personality, to me, doesn't appear to have changed to any drastic degree, other than the fact that she's matured somewhat. In the Ellen interview, for example, she came off quite well. And in a clip I saw from Oprah's Oscar coverage, she was very energetic and funny.

This is the most critical point in her career. She's got a lot to deal with. The Oscar nomination opened up incredible opportunities, and over the next year or so, if she blows them, it's over. The chick's got a lot on her mind.

In short, cut her a fuckin' break!

More than anything else, I'm just interested to see how well she does in her next couple of movies.

Now I"m going to go pass out.

EmotionSickness
10-03-2006, 09:30 PM
Celebrities shouldn't bitch about the paparazzi or their fans; that's it. And that's the thing that originally put me off of Natalie Portman. She seems wholly unappreciative of her fanbase, the people that put her where she is today, and she is evasive of the photogs to an extremely ridiculous extent.

Anyway, I think the sun may just be in Keira's face in the first few pictures. Who knows?

I really don't care about Keira's 'relationship' with the press, and, to my knowledge, she hasn't said anything negative about them thus far. It's when she takes the NP route and starts to turn on her fans that I'll be disappointed. Hopefully, that won't happen.

BrunoJA
10-03-2006, 10:14 PM
Well, this thread has certainly become depressing...I've noticed that trend around here.

EmotionSickness
10-03-2006, 11:51 PM
Why is it depressing? We're just speaking our truths, our opinions. This is a debate that comes up quite often when discussing celebrities.

I, personally, think Keira looks like she's squinting her eyes because of the sun in those photos. But it's silly to pick apart every facial expression she has. Like Leonie, I really do miss the bubbly, smiley Keira a lot (2002-era, I'd say), but that doesn't mean I think she should appear that way all the time -- especially when she's just out and about, not planning on being photographed. It's the smiley Keira in interviews that I miss. She has lost a certain.. spark (for lack of a better term), but part of that could be her simply growing up and maturing. I'll also chalk that up to her not being as wide-eyed and fascinated by the industry as she was in the beginning because, after all, she's not "new" to it anymore. Before, she always had this sort of, "where am I? how did I get here?!" mentality, but I think that has worn off over time, and it's only natural that it would.

As long as she doesn't bitch about fans wanting autographs and such, I don't care.

Oencross
11-03-2006, 12:04 AM
So, first and foremost, I didn't go through all the posts, because I'm sure they'll all argue the same points over and over again.

So, none of use can judge how she feels based on pictures. They're pictures. They capture milliseconds. I'm sure no one can explain a feeling for every part of a second. Pictures tell what they want to tell. If the papparazzi take pictures of her looking like a bitch, well, then she is going to look like a bitch. Knowing that all these pictures are simulacra of reality doesn't help anything either. The papparazzi take anywhere between hundreds to thousands of pictures just to capture images of celebrities looking like trash, idiots, and or otherwise. Everyone has bad days.

On that note, everyone that talks about how she "feels" is just part of the peanut gallery of opinions. One member thinks she looks like she is full of her self, others claim that she has been sweet in front of the camera, and gracious at interviews. Does it really matter? Stop analyzing the actions of ONE damn woman. None of us know anything about her, if anyone has met her, let's hear it, and even then, if someone has something to say, it's just one person's opinion, and the truth is that everyone has an opinion, so it's one voice out of a few billion.

Face the facts people. Keira is person whom almost no one on this forum will ever meet. No one can explain how she feels just by examining pictures, watching her films, or watching her interviews. She has a "public persona." She will use and protect that persona to keep her fame and all these pictures are shot for people that become overly engrossed into celebrity lives. Your fan-boy or fan-girl mentality is unwarranted and juvenile.

Let's put it this way... these pictures really don't fucking matter.

Enjoy her movies and find something else you enjoy a hell of a lot more - like life.

BrunoJA
11-03-2006, 12:10 AM
I wasn't talking about the topic or even the opinions expressed. I participated in the debate, after all.

I just find the general cynicism a bit depressing.
Stop analyzing the actions of ONE damn woman.
Strange, I thought this was a Keira Knightley forum...which other women shall we discuss instead?

EmotionSickness
11-03-2006, 12:16 AM
Some people might have more invested in someone like Keira, Oencross, and you should probably take that into consideration before you make such a harsh statement. Although, I must say, I completely understand where you are coming from.

Who knows why they do, but obviously, some people become wrapped up in the world of certain celebrities for a reason, and whether you agree with that reason or not, it's not really your place to call it juvenile or even baseless, for that matter.

kingdumbass
11-03-2006, 12:38 AM
I have nothing to say!

Mandy
11-03-2006, 12:56 AM
I have nothing to say!

There's a first time for everything.


Personally If I was a celebrity, it'd freak my shit out if someone was following me around a lot waiting for me to pick my butt to get a shot and sell it to a tabloid. But it comes with fame, and sooner or later they all have to realize that.

BrunoJA
11-03-2006, 01:33 AM
Yes, it comes with fame, but that doesn't mean they have to be happy about it.

Edward
11-03-2006, 10:39 AM
wow, whats going on here?, too much to read

im not liking the paparazzi hatred though

Liam
11-03-2006, 11:20 AM
So, first and foremost, I didn't go through all the posts, because I'm sure they'll all argue the same points over and over again.

So, none of use can judge how she feels based on pictures....Enjoy her movies and find something else you enjoy a hell of a lot more - like life.

Chalk up one more victory for common sense.

fandekeira
12-03-2006, 06:19 PM
i agree with edward, too much to read!!!!
really i don't care if she had sun in her face or anythink else, just look the pics!!!

Rob The BLack Douglas
12-03-2006, 06:51 PM
Keira has been working practically non-stop for the last three years. What time off she has had has been very short. I imagine she is tired as hell and could use a long long vacation without having to do any photoshoot work or anything, just kick back and relax'

She deserves it.

BrunoJA
12-03-2006, 06:56 PM
Definitely. She's going to be busy as hell in the coming months, too. Hope she takes it easy and avoids worthless magazine cover photoshoots.

Foeni
12-03-2006, 08:35 PM
fandekeira, no animation is allowed in either sig or avatar.

On topic: You can't tell anything about how she is based on pictures. Especially not photoshoots. I've seen pictures of a lot of you guys, and still I don't know anything about you...

kingdumbass
13-03-2006, 12:26 AM
She should have skipped that whole Chanel deal....
Seems to me like a bunch of wasted time and energy.

BrunoJA
13-03-2006, 12:36 AM
Yes...I suppose it's something she figures she'd regret later if she didn't take the opportunity while she had it...

kingdumbass
13-03-2006, 03:08 AM
Hell, if she had turned it down, everyone would be saying "Keira Knightley thinks she's TOO GOOD for Chanel. What a bitch!"....

BrunoJA
13-03-2006, 03:17 AM
Heh, yeah, really...

Keirafan
13-03-2006, 02:43 PM
it looks like mjohnny depp and keira hav something in common they both hate the paparazzi

EmotionSickness
13-03-2006, 11:47 PM
Yeah, kingdumbass, you lost me there. Call me crazy, but I'm PRETTY sure she took the Chanel deal (or she is going to take it.. it's not confirmed yet) because it's a lot of money in the bank. Smart girl.

Besides, a perfume/clothing endorsement deal (modeling one day out of the year) isn't exactly back-breaking work.

Rob The BLack Douglas
14-03-2006, 12:18 AM
The chanel deal is pretty smart, big bucks minimum work.

Most of us are refering to the lack of downtime between projects, I don't recall her taking more than a week and a half off between movies, throw in the photo shoots, she's been a busy girl.

BrunoJA
14-03-2006, 12:55 AM
It seems like a waste to me, too. What's it get her? Money and exposure. She's already overexposed as it is. And she doesn't need the money...

I guess maybe she enjoys it, though? I don't know...I'd rather see her focus on acting than just being a face for some crappy perfume.

EmotionSickness
14-03-2006, 01:36 AM
Haha, the Chanel line isn't crappy. Far from it, actually. If she wants the money, who cares? No one person needs millions of dollars, but if the opportunity presented itself to YOU, wouldn't you take it? Jeez.

BrunoJA
14-03-2006, 02:01 AM
She already has million of dollars.

I don't blame her for wanting the money, but if it were I, I wouldn't sign with Chanel. I'd just focus on being an actress because I'd know I'd make plenty of money acting.

And yes, perfume is a complete waste of human and monetary resources. If people would just sell perfume it'd be OK. But the time, energy, and money that's spent selling a damn bottle of perfume is disgusting.

EmotionSickness
14-03-2006, 02:05 AM
Take it up with Keira. Or Coco.

BrunoJA
14-03-2006, 02:16 AM
I'd just rather see her do something more worthwhile with her time than modeling for Chanel, even if it's just one day out of the year. Like take a break. She deserves it. :)

Mandy
14-03-2006, 02:44 AM
Hah I used to work for Chanel...

I love Coco Mademoiselle. So nice.