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Flightfreak
25-08-2005, 06:36 PM
a few minuts ago i was talking with a good friend from the states, and i told her how much i paid for one littre of petrol, and she said
"OMG" how do you surveilve??

so, how much do you pay for one littre petrol?

1 littre = 1 euro 40 = 1 dollar 70 (super98)

hasselbrad
25-08-2005, 07:05 PM
a few minuts ago i was talking with a good friend from the states, and i told her how much i paid for one littre of petrol, and she said
"OMG" how do you surveilve??

so, how much do you pay for one littre petrol?

1 littre = 1 euro 40 = 1 dollar 70 (super98)

About $2.70 a gallon. You do the math.

Foeni
25-08-2005, 07:27 PM
Just about 1 euro 40 per litre = 1.60 USD per litre

Flightfreak
25-08-2005, 07:41 PM
About $2.70 a gallon. You do the math.
one gallon is about 4,5 littre

a ring in return
25-08-2005, 07:50 PM
About $2.70 a gallon. You do the math.

Same here.

JackYang
25-08-2005, 07:58 PM
I drive a BMW 3 series and I use preminum gas. I usually spent about a full tank every week which costs about $60 CAD? :mad:

Liam
25-08-2005, 08:35 PM
Its about $1.30 a litre here at the moment, which is about 98 cents US, 80 eurocent, or 8.21 Mexican Peso.

This 'cheapness' is offset by the larger cars and bigger distances we need to drive compared to our European comrades.

acliff
25-08-2005, 09:16 PM
I could explain more about the current high fuel prices, and in which ways its affecting seemingly unrelated industries all around the world, but I can't be bothered to say, and you wouldn't be that interested.

Its what I do at work...

Renegade
25-08-2005, 09:25 PM
It's just about $3.00 a gallon where I live. Prices are crazy.

apoggy
25-08-2005, 09:51 PM
89.9p a litre round the corner from my house. Thats US$1.62/litre or US$6.13/gallon.

And thats in a city up north, I dread to think what London prices are like.

hasselbrad
25-08-2005, 09:59 PM
Yeah, the fever pitch of bitch in this country seems pretty silly when you see prices around the world.
I saw where it was almost $7.00/gallon in Amsterdam.
Of course, I heard it's $0.12/gallon in Venezuela. How about we invade?

apoggy
25-08-2005, 10:02 PM
but how much of the 89.9 is tax? lots

Kelsey
26-08-2005, 03:46 AM
I'm the retard driving an Explorer through all of this. It costs me ten bucks to get from my house to where I keep my horse (about twenty miles or so). I try to see my horse six times a week.

Jacoby
26-08-2005, 04:15 AM
$2.51- 2.65 for my van. And it doesn't get me very far. I can literally watch the needle go down, and watch money fall out of my wallet.

Kelsey
26-08-2005, 04:38 AM
L.A. was 2.89 when I was there. Around where I live it's been about 2.79.

deviljet88
26-08-2005, 06:31 AM
NSW apparently is 10c higher than everyonelse in the country Liam, been $1.20 here for a week or two.

Liam
26-08-2005, 08:41 AM
I haven't been paying any attention, but I saw that price last Wednesday which is when the servo owners in NSW traditionally jack up prices for the mid-week fill. As of next Monday I'll be working in Sydney full time, so I'll get a Monday morning price then.

Leonie
26-08-2005, 09:24 AM
The Netherlands is fucking 1.22 euros a litre. Tax crazy much?

Luckily I don't drive and have access to public transport for free. My government use their tax income well :icon_bigg

Just read an article about it then, apparently the Netherlands has the highest fuel price in the world, followed by Norway, Italy, Denmark and Belgium. Venezuala's cheapest: 3 eurocents a litre. (from: http://nieuws.geenstijl.nl/archives/2005/08/nl_benzine_duur.html - which is Dutch so dont bother clicking :))

p120ud213azn
26-08-2005, 10:16 AM
LOL

i heard a rumor that in iraq... its a nickel a gallon

and in russia its $6 something a gallon =/

but here in cali... $2.8 =(

http://www.gasbuddy.com/

Scott
01-09-2005, 11:06 AM
Its about $1.30 a litre here at the moment, which is about 98 cents US, 80 eurocent, or 8.21 Mexican Peso.

This 'cheapness' is offset by the larger cars and bigger distances we need to drive compared to our European comrades.

I think I'm paying around $80 for a full tank :mad:

Liam
01-09-2005, 12:00 PM
Bloody hell? You drive a Commodore or Falcon?

I put $36 in my little Mirage and it lasts me all week for 5 x 100km runs down the freeway.

Ranman
01-09-2005, 12:28 PM
People are finally pissed off at our oil man president.
Yesterday I heard screams of hate because the gas prices have reached
record high prices. Mr bush better watch out
regular gas 4.59 gallon and I paid 4.89 a gallon to fill my car with super unleaded

hasselbrad
01-09-2005, 12:43 PM
People are finally pissed off at our oil man president.
Yesterday I heard screams of hate because the gas prices have reached
record high prices. Mr bush better watch out
regular gas 4.59 gallon and I paid 4.89 a gallon to fill my car with super unleaded

Haha! Because I voted for Bush, I was allowed to fill my car up with premium for $2.99 last night. Silly democrat! :p
Seriously, this price spike has nothing to do with our "oil man" president. It has more to do with unscrupulous station owners seeing an opportunity. At one station in Atlanta, yesterday, a station was charging $6.09 a gallon. Here in Florida, gas companies have to show a cost increase for increasing prices during any sort of crisis or the state (run by our "oil man's" brother, I might add) fines the heavily.
I can remember paying $0.89 a gallon when I was in college. :err:

Ranman
01-09-2005, 12:56 PM
Brad where I live is a die hard Republican stronghold. Even my dad
Is a strong Bush supporter and he is cursing Bush. I agree the prez
has limited control over gas prices, but I don't see him doing anything
about it. People are blaming him around here. I saw a taxi driver with
a tear in his eye while gassing up yesterday. Alot of people
are gonna have a hard time just to make a living.
What this all adds up to in my opinion is
President Hillary Clinton in 2008.
How does that grab you brad?

hasselbrad
01-09-2005, 01:10 PM
Brad where I live is a die hard Republican stronghold. Even my dad
Is a strong Bush supporter and he is cursing Bush. I agree the prez
has limited control over gas prices, but I don't see him doing anything
about it. People are blaming him around here. I saw a taxi driver with
a tear in his eye while gassing up yesterday. Alot of people
are gonna have a hard time just to make a living.
What this all adds up to in my opinion is
President Hillary Clinton in 2008.
How does that grab you brad?

Sounds like four more years of Republicans.
What can he do? He's releasing oil from the federal reserves to help fend off a supply crisis. If the tree-hugging, non-crying cheese eating dirtbag hippie environuts would stop fighting more refineries and drilling, we wouldn't have this dependency problem. Pissed off at high gas prices? Punch a hippie and take his hacky sack.

Ranman
01-09-2005, 01:18 PM
Hippies? what decade are you in?
There are no hippies around here.
Blame goes to the man in charge
and that's your boy George Bush
Someone should kick him in the nads
and wake him up

deviljet88
01-09-2005, 02:34 PM
I heard on the BBC a while back about some South Eastern country which was supplying the oil via their government-owned companies thus making it cheaper or something... They made the economy balance up somewhere else but I can't remember...

Note: Prices at 1.20-1.30 w00t...

hasselbrad
01-09-2005, 02:35 PM
Hippies? what decade are you in?
There are no hippies around here.
Blame goes to the man in charge
and that's your boy George Bush
Someone should kick him in the nads
and wake him up

Hippies transcend the times. I'm sure you've got move on bookmarked. It's all your leftist enviroweenies that won't let us drill for oil...on land that was set aside for drilling for oil!
Dirty hippie!
I hit your hacky sack into the river with my favorite wedge. :p

Flightfreak
01-09-2005, 07:52 PM
lol, as if you have anything to complain about, the Energy is f*g cheap in the USA.
We pay 7,956 US dollar for 1gallon Petrol.
It's not for nothing the USA is the second biggest poluter of the world.
Luckily Bush finally stopped denying *global warming*
Things like Cathrina will happen more and more, the way energy is used in your country will have to change anyway. The only way to make that clear to the people is by higher energy prices. otherwise the people won't change there consumptions habits.

hasselbrad
01-09-2005, 08:54 PM
Global warming has nothing to do with Katrina, despite what Robert Kennedy, Jr. has to say about it.

Flightfreak
01-09-2005, 09:11 PM
Naive

Ranman
02-09-2005, 02:00 AM
I hit your hacky sack into the river with my favorite wedge. :p[/QUOTE]



Come get me, I'll snatch that wedge of yours

and you'll be a wedgeless goofy golfer

in funny looking pants :icon_lol:

Spire
02-09-2005, 06:06 AM
Have you ever sucked dick for gas? Come back and talk to me after you have, otherwise dont whine about high gas prices.

Scott
02-09-2005, 06:55 AM
Bloody hell? You drive a Commodore or Falcon?

I put $36 in my little Mirage and it lasts me all week for 5 x 100km runs down the freeway.

I drive a Falcon.
But since I'm still at school, I'm not driving around very much since it's just as quick for me to walk there, so a full tank of petrol lasts me about 3 to 4 weeks at the moment.
It's going to change next year though, when I'm at Uni/TAFE/work

Ashley
02-09-2005, 07:59 AM
It's $3.00 here, but thankfully I only drive about 2 times a week. Thank god for busses.

hasselbrad
02-09-2005, 01:03 PM
Naive

"There is absolutely no empirical evidence. The people who have a bias in favor of the argument that humans are making the globe warmer will push any data that suggests that humans are making hurricanes worse, but it just isn't so," said William Gray, a Colorado State University meteorologist who is considered one of the fathers of modern tropical cyclone science and who sharply questions Emanuel's conclusions.

"A lot of my colleagues who have been around a long time are very skeptical of this idea that global warming is leading to more frequent or intense storms," Gray said. "In the Atlantic, there has been a change recently, sure. But if you go back to the 1930s, you see a lot of storms again. These are natural cycles, not related to changes in global temperature. I can't say there is no human signal there, but it's minute."

"It's a terrible paper, one of the worst I've ever looked at," said Gray

Shaky data and a lack of empirical evidence (due mostly to small data samples) seems to plague your arguments at every turn.

Digital_Ice
02-09-2005, 03:55 PM
argh, petrol is about to hit £1 a litre here, in the wake of the hurricane... thats bloody expensive...

AureaMediocritas
02-09-2005, 04:22 PM
90 Euro Cents per Liter .
I live in Paradise hrhr. It´s delicious to read in the newspaper that the whole
world is whining and complaining about oil whereas my venerable country is
relatively unaffected by the Black Gold shortages.

Cheers ! :icon_nana

Flightfreak
02-09-2005, 07:06 PM
"There is absolutely no empirical evidence. The people who have a bias in favor of the argument that humans are making the globe warmer will push any data that suggests that humans are making hurricanes worse, but it just isn't so," said William Gray, a Colorado State University meteorologist who is considered one of the fathers of modern tropical cyclone science and who sharply questions Emanuel's conclusions.

"A lot of my colleagues who have been around a long time are very skeptical of this idea that global warming is leading to more frequent or intense storms," Gray said. "In the Atlantic, there has been a change recently, sure. But if you go back to the 1930s, you see a lot of storms again. These are natural cycles, not related to changes in global temperature. I can't say there is no human signal there, but it's minute."

"It's a terrible paper, one of the worst I've ever looked at," said Gray

Shaky data and a lack of empirical evidence (due mostly to small data samples) seems to plague your arguments at every turn.

It's Naive to follow one scientist’s opinion with closed eyes, there are enough others who do believe that it has an influence on it.
They are maybe correct on the fact that nobody can actually prove black on white that global warming has an influence on it, but they can’t prove that it has not and influence on it either.
I rather believe it does have an influence on it, because the things that "would" cause global warming are bad for people, and the environment anyway.

hasselbrad
02-09-2005, 08:16 PM
It's Naive to follow one scientist’s opinion with closed eyes, there are enough others who do believe that it has an influence on it.
They are maybe correct on the fact that nobody can actually prove black on white that global warming has an influence on it, but they can’t prove that it has not and influence on it either.
I rather believe it does have an influence on it, because the things that "would" cause global warming are bad for people, and the environment anyway.

There are plenty of scientists that say the same thing. I used Dr. Gray as an example because he is recognized as the foremost in this field. So much of what the theory of global warming is based on happens to the Earth's atmosphere naturally, in cycles.
I don't doubt man's effect on the environment. We've polluted rivers, lakes and oceans. We're filling up landfills with garbage that will be around long after we're gone. I fully support the use of cleaner burning fuels. I'd love nothing more than to see us start using Ethanol on a large scale. I detest government interference, but if Congress decided to lift anti-trust laws for a week, get all of the oil companies together and say "you will produce ethanol, figure it out so that you can still turn a profit", I'd be all for it.
However, I also understand that there is a tremendous amount of political pressure from groups whose aim aren't necessarily a cleaner environment pushing much of this "science". And, there's plenty of pressure from entities that say we have no effect on the environment on the other side of the fence. I fall somewhere in the middle.
Politicizing the incredible tragedy that has taken place along our Gulf coast the way Robert Kennedy, Jr. did is a classless, utterly reprehensible act. And, it's precisely this sort of shrill, political rhetoric that will cost the Democrats the presidency in 2008.

acliff
02-09-2005, 09:35 PM
It is a well accepted fact that cows farting causes more global warming that us humans ever could...

Flightfreak
02-09-2005, 09:56 PM
Yeah, and the farting of the dinosaurs caused a huge explosion what killed them all.

hasselbrad
02-09-2005, 10:16 PM
Yeah, and the farting of the dinosaurs caused a huge explosion what killed them all.
Actually, it was the raptor with the Zippo that caused the explosion.
Fucking raptors!

Kelsey
03-09-2005, 10:09 AM
Actually, it was the raptor with the Zippo that caused the explosion.
Fucking raptors!

Hasselbrad, what is gas like in your neck of the woods since Katrina? My dad was telling me in California it rose 18 cents in one day to a record high, and in Georgia it*s up to six dollars. Fuck, I left just at the right time.

Flightfreak
03-09-2005, 10:29 AM
Hasselbrad, what is gas like in your neck of the woods since Katrina? My dad was telling me in California it rose 18 cents in one day to a record high, and in Georgia it*s up to six dollars. Fuck, I left just at the right time.

Lol, the Pertol is still more expensive in France.

hasselbrad
03-09-2005, 02:29 PM
Hasselbrad, what is gas like in your neck of the woods since Katrina? My dad was telling me in California it rose 18 cents in one day to a record high, and in Georgia it*s up to six dollars. Fuck, I left just at the right time.

Regular's hovering around $3.00 a gallon. I lucked out and filled up with premium at $2.999 a gallon the other night. Georgia's woes were caused by a rush on the pumps and some unscrupulous station owners. In Stockbridge, which is south of Atlanta, a station was charging $6.07/gallon for premium.
Sonny Perdue, the governor of Georgia, has stepped in and is forgiving $0.15 a gallon in taxes for the time being and they are going after the price gougers. Florida has legislation that prevents stations from raising prices without showing just cause, i.e. invoices with a cost increase.
And Flightfreak's right, it's still more expensive in France.

Keira lover
09-07-2007, 04:29 PM
The problem in the US is not the price of a barrel of oil. It is the taxes the new dem congress puts on a single barrel of oil.

Ranman
09-07-2007, 04:34 PM
The problem in the US is not the price of a barrel of oil. It is the taxes the new dem congress puts on a single barrel of oil.

What do you mean the dem's, only the president can raise taxes. congress can't. The problem is the President's oil buddies are rapping us while they can. When Clinton was prez, they raised oil prices and he appointed someone to look into it and within a week oil prices were down.

Keira lover
09-07-2007, 04:44 PM
What do you mean the dem's, only the president can raise taxes. congress can't. The problem is the President's oil buddies are rapping us while they can. When Clinton was prez, they raised oil prices and he appointed someone to look into it and within a week oil prices were down.

The president doesn't have the power to levy taxes, that's the legislature's job. My friend, I've read the constitution

Ranman
09-07-2007, 04:52 PM
I remember senoir bush saying no new taxes, I believe he raised them and broke his promise

Keira lover
12-07-2007, 02:39 AM
Hippies? what decade are you in?
There are no hippies around here.
Blame goes to the man in charge
and that's your boy George Bush
Someone should kick him in the nads
and wake him up


Oil prices are high because of taxes, and taxes can only be levied by Congress. So, it has nothing to do with Bush.

Article I: US Constitution

Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes,
Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for
the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform through-
out the United States;
....


Pres. George H.W. Bush said, "Read My lips, No New Taxes." He was wrong, they were needed. Congress passed the taxes. Bush 41 signed them into law. That is how it works. They must pass Congress to reach the president's desk. If the president vetoes it, the legislature needs a 2/3 majority to override the veto. That is very rare. You need 67 Senators, and it depends on the population of the country in the house.

Ranman
12-07-2007, 07:37 AM
So when did GW sign all these new taxes you idiot? I don;'t remember him doing it. Hell he hasn't even had to use his veto power on any bill put forward by the congress for his first 6 years. The oil company's are making record profits from the high prices. I can't think of his name but the CEO of one of the big one recently retired and got a billion dollar retirement package.

Keira lover
22-08-2007, 05:39 PM
First thing: Oil prices have nothing to do with Bush. It is based on the price per barrel, refinery capacity, and taxes. It is taxes. The lowest taxes on oil, for instance, is in D.C. Bush, surprisingly to the left, has one of the greenest homes of all D.C. politicians (solar, wind, etc..). Algore uses twice the amount of energy the avg. American uses in a year in one month.

Only Congress has the power to levy taxes, although the president can, of course recommend them. (article I, section 8, US constitution) Individual states can add taxes on top of the federal taxes, as well, if they so wish.

The Dems in office have so far: raised the minumum wage, their salaries, and of course, taxes. They also spend a lot.

The GOP: lowered taxes, spent a lot.

Now, unless you are a democrat, this would make the most sense:

Lower taxes-people have more money.-They spend some of that money on stuff-sales taxes-gas taxes-bills

u lower taxes, people part with a dollar easier. then the money is spent elsewhere. more tax revenuse are collected. the gov't takes in more. it worked in NYC, under Rudy. it works.

Dems-high taxes. people have less-spend less-business go under-depression

low taxes-good
high taxes-bad

Oh, and Long Island is not a Republican stronghold. trust me. Every long islander i know is a lib

o, and those taxes are not really talked about. if we knew have the bills passed, we wouldn't be able to keep up. and, yes they are profiting. the have to charge more because of the taxes to profit. that is their job: make money. It is not evil. it is not wrong. it is business. they have to support their families. they are in business for the sole purpose of making money. as is every person in any business in any country with a free market. in a socialism/communism ,they are working so they are not killed. And, those high profits. the supply of oil is finite. it's demand is infinite. that equals big profit.

Ranman
22-08-2007, 10:12 PM
Will You Shut The Fuck Up You Idiot!

Flightfreak
23-08-2007, 04:30 PM
The problem in the US is not the price of a barrel of oil. It is the taxes the new dem congress puts on a single barrel of oil.

The more than doubled price per barrel since 2000 on the international market has nothing to do with it?

Keira lover
23-08-2007, 10:58 PM
Will You Shut The Fuck Up You Idiot!

You first. you dont even know how the legislative process works until a 15 year old explained it. And you can vote? Go to B&N, and buy a pocket constitution. AND READ IT!!!!!!!!!!!

and, to flightfreak, taxes are based on the price/barrel. But the more expensive per barrel, the more taxes collected.


P.S.: Ranman, i have proved my point. you do not have a clue about what you are talking about, otherwise, you would present an argument, not wish i would just shut up.

Ranman
23-08-2007, 11:03 PM
You first. you dont even know how the legislative process works until a 15 year old explained it. And you can vote? Go to B&N, and buy a pocket constitution. AND READ IT!!!!!!!!!!!

.

I have read it asshole. and I don't think you actually read it because I googled some of the crap you wrote before and there it was word for word. You know idiots like you are the reason the rest of the world hate America. And I'm willing to bet most people here at KKW laugh at the crap you post.

Keira lover
23-08-2007, 11:06 PM
i quoted it, hence the odd spelling, weird capitalizations, etc....

Article I: US Constitution

Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes,
Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for
the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform through-
out the United States;

You think I right like this. I was trying to make a point.

And the world hates America because we are the world's only superpower. It's the same reason people hate Bill Gates: Envy

Ranman
23-08-2007, 11:10 PM
Then how did Bush sr raise taxes then dickhead?

Keira lover
23-08-2007, 11:25 PM
economists believed that it was necessary (wether it was or not is up in the air). Congress passed them into law, and the President heeded the advice of his advisors and signed them into law. A president can not legally propose legislation. He can sort of convince a congressman to start a bill, however.


It is not Bush Sr.

41st president= George Herbert Walker Busher
43rd= George Walker Bush

Ranman
23-08-2007, 11:31 PM
so the president raised taxes, thank you dickhead

Porcelain_Doll
23-08-2007, 11:37 PM
Socrates would hate both of your asses.

Now shut up you two, I think everyone's tired of the oil discussion.

Keira lover
23-08-2007, 11:37 PM
no, congress raised them. Bush signed them. You do not seem to grasp the legislative process. Or, u just dont care.

Ranman
23-08-2007, 11:39 PM
would taxes have been raised without the president? no. i proved my case dickhead

Porcelain_Doll
23-08-2007, 11:42 PM
Do I have to repeat myself? Cut it out. It's more than wearing. This has turned into a complete "I'm-right-you're-wrong" nine-year-old-style fight rather than a sensible discussion. I don't think anybody appreciates it anymore, and if you truly want to keep fighting over this, do it over PMs, for God's sake. And spare the rest of us.

Keira lover
24-08-2007, 12:38 AM
the president is not required if congress can get a 2/3rds majority in both houses (rare)


Porcelain_Doll- i wish i could end it as well

Digital_Ice
24-08-2007, 02:19 AM
i wish i could end it as well

stop bloody replying then.

hasselbrad
24-08-2007, 03:15 AM
Or, Ice could just lock it.
:p

Digital_Ice
24-08-2007, 03:27 AM
i dont like locking threads when the forums so dead. it just makes it... more dead.

Ranman
24-08-2007, 09:06 AM
the president is not required if congress can get a 2/3rds majority in both houses (rare)


Porcelain_Doll- i wish i could end it as well

Ok answer this, if only congress can raise taxes, how did taxes go up during Clinton's reign? Republicans held both houses 6 of his 8 years.

Digital_Ice
24-08-2007, 09:58 AM
you know what, screw it.