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Flightfreak
26-03-2005, 12:22 PM
today i was cleaning up the house and found a little photography book between al the magazines. I gave it a quick look and realised i had already got it in September 2004.
anyway, i was wondering if the little photograph book would exist online too, apparently it does:
photography book (http://www.first8.org/base.html)
Its quiet interesting and i would advice everyone to look at it.
(click on the numbers above in the flash photograph book to go to the next picture)

The thread it self? Maybe you could tell how much you care about it...

hannahjane
26-03-2005, 12:36 PM
Well, it's obviously a good website promoting a good cause. The flash they use is good, and the birthday ap on the first page is a good 'shocking' way of making people aware of the extent of poverty in the world today.

However, I wouldn't say the pictures were "shocking" anymore; simply because I've seen them so many times on TV, and in the papers before. And that is a very, very bad thing. They shouldn't lose meaning like that, because people will begin to be complacent about helping third world countries. I think government's need to think of a new means of publicising the horrific poverty in the world, so that people are more inclined to act; rather than rehashing the same old photographs.

Having said that, number 6 is pretty horrific. Of course, poverty must come to an end, and when I'm 18 I'm sure I'll do one of those £2 a month schemes, or whatever. I tried, but wasn't old enough.

deviljet88
26-03-2005, 12:56 PM
I use less water than the average Pom. Good on me.

Digital_Ice
26-03-2005, 03:54 PM
argh... flash website.... with no obvious alternative method of browsing.....

Flightfreak
26-03-2005, 04:29 PM
whats wrong with flash?

Something what really annoys me is that many people do not realise what a good life they have, and the only thing they complain about are luxury things.
The reason why we are rich is because the other half of the world is poor, many people don’t seem to realise that.

hannahjane
26-03-2005, 09:11 PM
whats wrong with flash?

Something what really annoys me is that many people do not realise what a good life they have, and the only thing they complain about are luxury things.
The reason why we are rich is because the other half of the world is poor, many people don’t seem to realise that.

Very good point FF. And thus we should give some of our riches to relieve their situation, right?

Foeni
26-03-2005, 10:49 PM
whats wrong with flash?

Something what really annoys me is that many people do not realise what a good life they have, and the only thing they complain about are luxury things.
The reason why we are rich is because the other half of the world is poor, many people don’t seem to realise that.

I think it would be more right to say that we're rich because we exploited those who are now poor. Nearly the same but...

deviljet88
27-03-2005, 01:55 AM
1. Who are you referring to when you say "we"?
2. How were they not poor before?
3. How was HIV "our" fault?
4. What caused their sudden rise in population causing poverty, hunger etc?
5. Are there shit government "our" fault?

I'm not saying any of it is wrong, but I'm just asking some questions.

Flightfreak
27-03-2005, 07:20 AM
I think it would be more right to say that we're rich because we exploited those who are now poor. Nearly the same but...
not exploited,...,exploit,...
we still do it, but in terms of now we better use the word "abuse"

"The reason why we are rich is because the other half of the world is poor, many people don’t seem to realise that."
I don't put it in the way like you do Foeni, because we are not always the cause of them being poor. not direct anyway.
the only reason we CAN be rich is because the other half of the world is poor.

deviljet88
27-03-2005, 07:33 AM
What about the average joe who works his arse off to get a living wage? Can you seriously expect me to listen to dribble... Anyway, still waiting on a reply about who "we" is. You also cannot go, major western corporations, because many of them do try and do their part in helping and donating (which is what most of the site was about) while keeping their own businesses afloat and profiting.

marine
27-03-2005, 10:39 AM
However, I wouldn't say the pictures were "shocking" anymore; simply because I've seen them so many times on TV, and in the papers before. And that is a very, very bad thing. They shouldn't lose meaning like that, because people will begin to be complacent about helping third world countries. I think government's need to think of a new means of publicising the horrific poverty in the world, so that people are more inclined to act; rather than rehashing the same old photographs.

Having said that, number 6 is pretty horrific. Of course, poverty must come to an end, and when I'm 18 I'm sure I'll do one of those £2 a month schemes, or whatever. I tried, but wasn't old enough.

theses kind of pics still shock me, everytime I see them

hannahjane
27-03-2005, 11:16 AM
theses kind of pics still shock me, everytime I see them

I must have a good immune system ;)

I kinda agree with Jet in this little debate, although I also agree with FF....there is a little vagueness flying about the shop...(that's just one of my weird phrases "about the shop", don't worry about it :p). Erm, seriously let's ask the question what is poverty? And how did it come about? And we can#t say just "because we're rich". By the way, I'm assuming the reference to "we" is all the Northern MEDCs. See the globe is split literally right through the middle. The upper half is full of MEDCs (More Economically Developed Countries), and the bottom half (bar Australasia/Oceania) is classed as LEDC (Less Economically Developed Countries). So I'm assuming "we" is the former. But yeah, how did poverty come about....serious debate please...or failing that, answers on a postcard :p

Foeni
27-03-2005, 11:28 AM
not exploited,...,exploit,...
we still do it, but in terms of now we better use the word "abuse"

"The reason why we are rich is because the other half of the world is poor, many people don’t seem to realise that."
I don't put it in the way like you do Foeni, because we are not always the cause of them being poor. not direct anyway.
the only reason we CAN be rich is because the other half of the world is poor.

Of course we still do exploit, and that's a big part of the reason they are poor. But there are countries we used to exploit that is now suffering from us exploiting them. Even though we don't anymore.

True, we're not always the reason. But we could do much more if we liked to. And I think we've become much better at it.

hannahjane
27-03-2005, 11:29 AM
Of course we still do exploit, and that's a big part of the reason they are poor. But there are countries we used to exploit that is now suffering from us exploiting them. Even though we don't anymore.

True, we're not always the reason. But we could do much more if we liked to. And I think we've become much better at it.

Yeah, I agree with all you've said there, you put it well.

Flightfreak
27-03-2005, 11:41 AM
Of course we still do exploit, and that's a big part of the reason they are poor. But there are countries we used to exploit that is now suffering from us exploiting them. Even though we don't anymore.

True, we're not always the reason. But we could do much more if we liked to. And I think we've become much better at it.
yeah by dropping our huge surpluses of food, on the local African market so their own economy collapse. :icon_err:

The only things we need to do is:
help the African governments educating their population, so they would be able to use the capitalistic system WE putted there years ago.
And keep our hands of there country

deviljet88
27-03-2005, 12:02 PM
yeah by dropping our huge surpluses of food, on the local African market so their own economy collapse. :icon_err:

The only things we need to do is:
help the African governments educating their population, so they would be able to use the capitalistic system WE putted there years ago.
And keep our hands of there country
Never seen a better contradiction. These questions left...

3. How was HIV "our" fault?
4. What caused their sudden rise in population causing poverty, hunger etc?
5. Are there shit government "our" fault?

Thanks.

Flightfreak
27-03-2005, 12:18 PM
Never seen a better contradiction. These questions left...

3. How was HIV "our" fault?
4. What caused their sudden rise in population causing poverty, hunger etc?
5. Are there shit government "our" fault?

Thanks.


3. How was HIV "our" fault?
HIV on it self, NO but its al connected with each other poverty, population rise,...

4. What caused their sudden rise in population causing poverty, hunger etc?
We certainly influenced that.

5. Are there shit government "our" fault?
YES,

And for the contradiction, I mean that we need to do only one thing "educate their population" not more than that.

deviljet88
27-03-2005, 01:52 PM
3. How's HIV spread?
4. More interested in WHAT than WHO.
5. How's it our fault? I mean some country's remained under the Commonwealth, eg Zimbwabwe (I think, that Mugabe dude...) and there's some who have been in civil war for years. They're both still in pathetic positions. How was it our fault? What should've we done?

Education only leads to more. You know as well as I do that even the most seemingly helpful aid can go corrupt.

Flightfreak
27-03-2005, 02:07 PM
Do you know how much a pack condoms costs over there Jet?
Do you know what the average African earns in a month?
Who thought it was necessarily to convert the "stupid barbaric native Africans" to christens?
WHICH FUCKIGN BRAINLESS IDIOT SAYS NOT TO USE CONDOMS...

Education only leads to more peut wrong answer!
education means developing, means earning more money, means more luxury, do you know what problems Europe is facing in 10-15 years? To much old people, to less young people who work.
you know why? because we don't get as much children anymore, we don’t need them anymore, people rather start working out their career first,...,get les children at an older age,…, people die at an older age,...
in 20 years we will beg for migration to Europe.

Foeni
27-03-2005, 03:02 PM
You're right about that Pete. We should learn to get more children earlier (this way ladies :p), and the Africans should learn not to. A lot thinks that we help the African population out of their hunger by dropping food. We don't. They need to get less children, they shouldn't have more children than they can feed. Of course we need to give them food while educating them, but as Pete says: Education is what's needed the most.

hasselbrad
29-03-2005, 05:09 PM
The photography is average at best.
Somehow, I doubt you posted it for the artistic value, though.
Take a look at this (http://archive.parade.com/2005/0213/0213_dictator.html) and notice that, other than Saudi Arabia, these are all poor nations. By poor, I mean that the standard of living is below that of the U.S. and Europe.
Is big business to blame? Sure, to some extent, one can blame large corporations for moving manufacturing operations to countries where the working wage allows them to make significantly higher profits. By the same token, some of the blame can be laid at the feet of organized labor, which has consistently driven the cost of doing business up. Does this make it okay to go overseas and exploit cheap labor? Of course not. Trust me, I'm no fan of giant corporations. They have completely fucked up the playing field of capitalism. However, to find the true root of poverty, one only has to look at the top. The fish rots from the head down, and where utter poverty exists, there is usually a rotten, brutal dictator running the show. These dictators usually fall into one of two catagories.
There are the paranoid megalomaniacs who brutalize their own people to keep them in line, all the while, blaming other countries for their citizens' hardships and preventing any foreign intervention that could help.
Then, there are the socialist-capitalists, who allow their citizens to be exploited while they reap the benefits. Southeast Asia is full of these "Communist" regimes who exploit the "proletariat" in ways that the most insidious capitalist pigs couldn't imagine.
Pick your poison.
There are African nations teeming with natural resources that, on the world market, could elevate their standard of living to enviable heights, if it weren't for the paranoid dictator, too busy slaughtering his own people.
Mexico sits atop a sizable oil reserve, yet Vincente Fox is more concerned with making sure Mexicans are able to work in the U.S. and send money back into Mexico, than he is in creating a stronger country whose children aren't forced to beg American tourists to buy Chiclets.
I remember when I was a young idealist. I thought the world could be a perfect place and Thomas Sowell's opinion pieces used to piss me off. Now, I have come to realize that he really did know what he was talking about. And, this has become one of my favorite quotes...

"There are few talents more richly rewarded with both wealth and power, in countries around the world, than the ability to convince backward people that their problems are caused by other people who are more advanced."

Thomas Sowell