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Flightfreak
20-02-2005, 04:49 PM
The dead: for the most people a dark subject,…, but still very interesting subject, everybody has his theory,…,his feeling around dying, the dead,…
Do you believe in life after dead? Or do you believe that the human spirits dies with the human body?
Maybe is living dying and dying a portal to living,…, a lot of questions, a lot of opinions…

Idea after this whole thread? Share you opinion about the dead, dying, do you believe in paranormal powers, black and white magic, voodoo, ghosts,…

frodo1511
20-02-2005, 08:09 PM
I believe that the world stops for a second when you die.

Also, I believe that you should watch Constantine. It was a lot better than I expected it to be.

deviljet88
20-02-2005, 10:16 PM
Always wondered how crowded Heaven is.

seitanic
20-02-2005, 10:16 PM
all the interesting people are in hell

Foeni
20-02-2005, 10:19 PM
OMG, I didn't know I signed up to Hell itself when I registered.

Bait
20-02-2005, 11:45 PM
i was just talking to this about my friend and we decided that there isnt a hell because that would be stupid if god forgave everyone. it contradicts itself saying that you are going to hell for sinning, yet god forgives you. about heaven...i used to be catholic along with him but now i just dont get it. i guess i believe in a higher being but i dont know...im agnostic as of now :P

Kelsey
21-02-2005, 01:28 AM
I hope, for the sake of my sanity, that everything just stops after I die.

ryan
21-02-2005, 02:11 AM
your title says "stalker boi"

heh

Nick
21-02-2005, 03:20 AM
I'm pretty much agnostic. I don't think anyone really knows whether there is or isn't an after life or whether there is or isn't a "Supreme being" of some kind. It's all conjecture and speculation. There are hundreds of religions in the world, who's to say which ones are right and which ones are wrong. I've never been one to believe in anything without proof, so far there is no proof to support any of the major religions beliefs. So as far as I'm concerned they are all wrong and there is no after life and there is no "God" or "Supreme being" of any kind. When someone provides some evidence then I may reconsider my point of view, but for now I choose not to believe in anything supernatural or paranormal. I believe only in what I can perceive with my five senses.

Meteora
21-02-2005, 05:38 AM
Life is so much more interesting when you entertain fanciful ideas such as the supernatural.

Of course, I believe in some sort of afterlife just because the thought of a perpetual unconscious coma is utterly terrifying.

Bait
21-02-2005, 05:55 AM
i cant wait till i die then i will know this stupid answer...

until then... :icon_guin

seitanic
21-02-2005, 05:57 AM
Of course, I believe in some sort of afterlife just because the thought of a perpetual unconscious coma is utterly terrifying.

How is it terryfing? you wouldn't even realize it was happening.

Meteora
21-02-2005, 06:03 AM
Perhaps it is just me.

To me, non-existence, not being able to realize anything was happening, is far worse than any other fate imaginable. At least when you're alive you can think and therefore enjoy yourself in some manner; after all, even Satan in Paradise Lost found contentment in Hell, a land of eternal torment.

I don't know. I guess I can't really explain why it scares me. Maybe it is strange phobia. ;)

Nick
21-02-2005, 06:22 AM
To me, non-existence, not being able to realize anything was happening, is far worse than any other fate

You know the Buddhists actually strive to cease their existence. Yes they believe in reincarnation, but they believe you are only reincarnated when you made a mistake or did something wrong in your past life. So the whole purpose of reincarnation is that you learn a new lesson in every life. However when you finally learn to be one with the universe and reach enlightenment or nirvana (yes that's where the band got its name) then you simply cease to exist. They describe your soul as being like the flame of a candle and when you reach enlightenement your soul ceases to exist just as the flame of the candle ceases to exist when it is blown out. The thing I never understood about reincarnation is that they say you can't remember what happened in your past lives. Yet the idea of reincarnation is that you are supposed to learn from the mistakes you make in your past lives but how can you do that if you don't remember your past lives?

Meteora
21-02-2005, 06:32 AM
You know the Buddhists actually strive to cease their existence. Yes they believe in reincarnation, but they believe you are only reincarnated when you made a mistake or did something wrong in your past life. So the whole purpose of reincarnation is that you learn a new lesson in every life. However when you finally learn to be one with the universe and reach enlightenment or nirvana (yes that's where the band got its name) then you simply cease to exist. They describe your soul as being like the flame of a candle and when you reach enlightenement your soul ceases to exist just as the flame of the candle ceases to exist when it is blown out.
Yeah, I vaguely remember reading about that in sixth grade.

It's interesting, then, that the Egyptians seemed to be the exact opposite. They went to ridiculous lengths to prepare themselves to survive the test (or whatever) that determined the fate of their "life force"; if they failed the test, their life force would be devoured and they would be doomed to a perpetual coma.

Nick
21-02-2005, 07:00 AM
It's interesting, then, that the Egyptians seemed to be the exact opposite. They went to ridiculous lengths to prepare themselves to survive the test (or whatever) that determined the fate of their "life force"; if they failed the test, their life force would be devoured and they would be doomed to a perpetual coma.

Yes I believe the test was that their heart was weighed against a feather. If the heart was heavier than the feather than that meant they had been an evil person in life and so they were not aloud into the after life. However as stranage as some of the beliefs of the ancient Pagan religions were most modern religions have their roots in the ancient Pagan religions. Yes even Christianity has some Pagan traditions, although no Christian will ever admit it.

Flightfreak
21-02-2005, 09:35 AM
I'm pretty much agnostic. I don't think anyone really knows whether there is or isn't an after life or whether there is or isn't a "Supreme being" of some kind. It's all conjecture and speculation. There are hundreds of religions in the world, who's to say which ones are right and which ones are wrong. I've never been one to believe in anything without proof, so far there is no proof to support any of the major religions beliefs. So as far as I'm concerned they are all wrong and there is no after life and there is no "God" or "Supreme being" of any kind. When someone provides some evidence then I may reconsider my point of view, but for now I choose not to believe in anything supernatural or paranormal. I believe only in what I can perceive with my five senses.

I don’t think you need to expect to find the answer at a religion.
I believe that religions like the Islam and Catholisme are arisen because people needed help to make the choice between good and bad. Apparently the most difficult choices humans have to make is the choice between good and bad. The Bible the Koran, are used and abused in the wrong way, the fact that there are churches and mosques and leaders only proves that they don’t understand it. IMO

Shamanism is the oldest form of religion and is universal it existed in every culture.
I believe that our spirit needs to get to a certain point, to a certain balance, a centre.
And I believe you will come back to life as long as you haven’t reached to that point.
Because the moment your spirits find’s that balance, that certain point, that centre is the moment you don’t need life anymore, that’s the moment you can rest in peace…(you can define that as you want except in any human form).
Shamanism was and is a help to get too that point to find that balance and a lot of people are searching back to those wisdoms, to help them selves find the reason of life, to find that centre...that point...that happiness.
thats what i believe, for now. :)

deviljet88
21-02-2005, 10:06 AM
Does that mean to stay alive you don't want to find the meaning of life?

Flightfreak
22-02-2005, 09:05 PM
no, because i believe that finding that balance is the aim of our life.

Nick
24-02-2005, 06:40 AM
The fact of the matter is that all religions are based on the same fundamental ideas. Yes they call their gods different names, but in reality don't they all really believe the same thing? For example most religions preach that you should treat others with love and compassion and that you should live a moral life. So they all have the same underlying message. Which is why I don't understand why all the major religions are constantly fighting eachother, Christians, Muslims, and Jews in particular. If you examine those religions closely you will find that they all teach essentially the same thing.
For one thing we need to get rid of the rumor that Islam teaches that all people of other religions should die because it's not true. I have done some studying of the major religions of the world and that includes studies of the Koran. There is nothing I know of in the Koran that says all people of other religions should be killed. In fact most Muslims do not believe this teaching. It is only extremist radicals that believe this and of course those extremists are the only ones who make it one the news, so most of us westerners believe that all Muslims must be that way when in reality the majority are fairly passive people.

Flightfreak
24-02-2005, 11:16 AM
Those western people who believe that al Muslims are terrorists or aggressive or what ever, are the same people who believe that there own religion or idea on life is the only correct one.
If I walk on the street,...,in my school,...,than is see 75% of the people walking with eye flaps, intolerant people, people who are scared for something they don't understand,...,they don’t know.
The influence of media is huge on those people, (on everyone but some people dear to question the media and try to see it in its context.)

For example, in Belgium we have a radical Muslim politic party, who wants Arabic as third country language (what is ridicules of course)
Anyway, the party had a protest action in a city called Antwerp, and the news showed the demonstration on television and they recorded it as if there were thousands of people.
In reality there were only 200people.
The day after it at school: people were talking like "oh my god we need to start voting for extreme right, the Muslims are going to win the elections".
I was like "you brainless idiots", there are 200 000 migrants on population of 10 000000, how could they even win the election...

11 Sept 2001: terrorist attacks in the United States of America
Television stations over the whole world show the images of the twin towers..., but they also show images of people in Palestine who dance and party because they would be glad that terrorists attacked the USA.
It were fake movies, some media specialist recognised them and started looking in the archives and discovered that it were images from some national holiday in 1996.
In reality were the Palestine’s as shocked as everybody else!
But in the main while the whole world got to see those movies
Loads of people are convinced that they were glad that the terrorists attacked…
The USA government obligates al the Muslims in the USA to register them selves after 9/11
What signal do we give to the heaps of people who don’t have the brains to think for them selves?
I think we give a damn wrong signal to the population, the media makes that 75% of the population even more intolerant, it makes the gap between religions,…, cultures even bigger…
Ah well, I suppose that the price we have to pay for press freedom…

I think it’s very important to keep religion and politics separated; a government needs to be religion neutral.
Catholics who believe that the Catholicism is the only true, fair, honest religion is are as big extremists as you find them in any other religion.
Like I said above the fact that there are leader’s like the pope…hierarchy, churches, proves that they don’t understand the meaning of the wisdom after a religion. IMO

deviljet88
24-02-2005, 11:29 AM
I don't think Heirarchy is the best way to describe the Church system. These Popes aren't just giventhe job because they conquered Vatican City or bribed the Church or were born into royalty etc etc. I'm pretty sure there was a rigorous selection phase before the Pope was chosen. Also, most countries are religion neutral, its just that in some, religions have a majority over another. That causes more problems (preferences for the majority religion because it means more votes etc) than the fact that the government is religious.

Flightfreak
24-02-2005, 11:33 AM
thats not the point, the fact that the churche has a pope, has HEAPS of money,... only proves that they don't understand the wisedom. IMO

The more neutral the better.

deviljet88
24-02-2005, 11:38 AM
And what, you're prejudiced against the church because they have money???

Flightfreak
24-02-2005, 12:25 PM
Jet, I repeat! the fact that the church has a pope, has HEAPS of money, proves to me that they don’t understand the wisdom were the religion is based on!
Besides I would not want to be a part of the Catholic Church knowing what disgusting history that religion has.

apoggy
24-02-2005, 12:39 PM
:banghead:

Why?

offtopic:

hasselbrad
24-02-2005, 01:13 PM
Nick's right about Islam. The killing of infidels is an extremist interpretation of the Koran. It's no different than some Primitive Baptist twisting the Bible to discourage women from doing anything more than birth and care for children.

Flightfreak, do you have a link regarding the "registration" of Muslims in the U.S.?

On topic...maybe. There is a certain amount of comfort in the thought of some glorious afterlife, but seeing people live in squalor and refusing to take control of their own lives because "God will provide" disturbs me.

Alias
24-02-2005, 08:21 PM
i was just talking to this about my friend and we decided that there isnt a hell because that would be stupid if god forgave everyone. it contradicts itself saying that you are going to hell for sinning, yet god forgives you. about heaven...i used to be catholic along with him but now i just dont get it. i guess i believe in a higher being but i dont know...im agnostic as of now :P

Your not forgiven automatically, your only forgiven if you repent your sins, like in a confession. I belive in greek mythology, i belive in hades and the river styx and putting a coin under your tongue to pay the ferrymen (no not on your eyes like it says in Troy, Dammm that film :icon_mad: )

Edit: The Pope gets voted in, i think it has something to do with the fact that the vatican city is a separrte city state (i was thier last week)

marine
24-02-2005, 08:44 PM
Religions are providing comfort, "there is something watching upon us", there are ways of being forgiven if you do something wrong, religions make death appear less scary, "a god will welcome you outthere, it's not the end" and so on

my mother didn't give me a religious education, as she was brought up in the catholic church, but didn't agree with it (she found it senseless when she was younger, no offence to anyone, she just didn't understand why they wanted her to believe in something without giving her more explanations than :"it's god will") She told us, that if we wanted to believe in something and have a religion we will choose ourselves.

When I was younger I thought about it, and decided I didn't want any, I often talked about my mother on this topic. Do I believe in GOD, hum, I'm not sure, I believe that most religions are guideline, they give moral rules, common to everycountry, I believe that humanbeings need to believe in something that makes them feel safe. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I believe.

I'm wondering about what's going to happen after my death, will it be the end ? frankly I'll be sorry to have just a pointless life and a death that lead to nothing. I know people who think that we live as many lives as we need to, to reach an higher level, that's death, reincarnation, are just means to reach an higer level, why not ?
Still haven't set up my mind on one thing, ain't even sure I ever will, but I tend mostly to disagree with the whole hell/heaven which are the common ideas.

Nick
25-02-2005, 06:53 AM
If you really want to know the meaning of life you sould watch "Monty Python's the Meaning of Life." It explains everything, no really it does.

deviljet88
25-02-2005, 10:28 AM
I like how in the movie near the end the fishes go, They still haven't told the meaning of life yet. But according to the movie, after death you get to see topless angels, so meh.

Nick
26-02-2005, 04:53 AM
I like how in the movie near the end the fishes go, They still haven't told the meaning of life yet. But according to the movie, after death you get to see topless angels, so meh.

Another funny but somewhat disturbing scene is the sex ed class. Oh yeah I also like the way the one guy dies. He gets chased off a cliff by a mob of topless women, that's not a bad way to go. You know now that I think about it there are a lot of topless women in this movie :icon_popc .

seventhson
28-02-2005, 05:24 AM
Continue to search for truth...And question those who claim to have knowledge of it...then question their answers.

I hope y'all find peace once you discern it.