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IBO
04-02-2005, 03:30 AM
It's possible that we humans make things so complicated that we fail to recognize the obvious. For example, take a look at the Mount Rushmore photo displayed here. Now ask yourself, how many years would it take for these figures to appear on the side of this mountain by chance? Millions of years? Billions of years? Given one hundred trillion years, could these figures eventually form on the side of the mountain?

Is your answer "no"? If so, why is it "no"? Why couldn't these faces appear on the side of a mountain, given so much time? Isn't that how WE got here? After billions of years of chance, didn't we eventually, gradually come to be how we are now? Isn't that the theory that you've been taught to believe as fact?


How do we know that Mount Rushmore got here by intelligent design?
Let's go back to our mountain. We know that skilled artists and sculptors worked to create the faces on Mount Rushmore. But could such a thing come about by chance? Well, if the earth is as old as scientists tell us, then the mountains in the world are quite ancient. Do we see any mountains in the world where complex and recognizable images have formed on them? Does Mount McKinley have faces like Mount Rushmore on it, for example, that formed over time through erosion, wind, and rain? Or does the Matterhorn, for example, have an image of a giraffe on it that came about through natural forces, time, and chance?
You might be thinking, "This is silly. How could an image of a giraffe appear on the side of the Matterhorn by chance? Even given infinite time, wind, rain, and erosion?" Well, it IS silly. It's silly to think that something so complex, something so obviously designed, could come about by mere chance, no matter how much time was allotted.


Mount Rushmore's creation: not myth but intelligent design

When we look at Mount Rushmore, we know that a mind or minds were used in designing and executing the images we see there. Prior to the faces being formed there, Mount Rushmore was a "victim" of chance, wind, rain, time, erosion. The result? Nothing that we would consider as complex, intelligent design. Then the faces were carved on the side of the mountain. It was then that mere chance was overthrown...by intentional design and order.
Now consider the men themselves: Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt, Lincoln. Were the actual men more complex or less complex than the faces on the side of Mount Rushmore? They were MUCH more complex. George Washington led our nation as president. Could his face on the side of Mount Rushmore do that? Abraham Lincoln gave the Gettysburg Address. Could his Mount Rushmore likeness do that? Could Jefferson's stone face pen the Declaration of Independence? Obviously, the men themselves are much more complex than their mountainside counterparts.


Your creation: not myth but intelligent design by God

So if the faces could not appear on Mount Rushmore by chance no matter how much time was given, then would it not be true that the men themselves could not appear by chance no matter how much time was given?
What about you? Apply the Mount Rushmore test of intelligent design to yourself. Are you more complex than a carved image on the side of a mountain? Do you think you really came about by chance? You with your highly complex DNA? You who is the only you that has ever been? What kind of artist would it take to make someone as incredible as a human being? Is chance that artist? Don't be silly.

Bait
04-02-2005, 03:35 AM
no
because

Queen Elizabeth
04-02-2005, 04:12 AM
Mount Rushmore Test (http://www.heatherfirth.com/gallery1.html)

deviljet88
04-02-2005, 04:20 AM
I thought we evolved from less complex beings?

duckula
04-02-2005, 09:10 AM
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adj.

1. Having the ring of truth or plausibility but actually fallacious: a specious argument.
2. Deceptively attractive.

barrington
04-02-2005, 10:08 AM
IBO, your repeated ability to completely fail to grasp the statistical certainty of complex systems evolving by chance is astounding.

With an infinite number of mountains, an infinitely dynamic weathering process and an infinite amount of time you WILL get your mount rushmore by chance alone - it is a MATHEMATICAL CERTAINTY. The same is true for intelligent life and everything on this planet - of course it didn't take an infinite amount of time here - about 15bn years was good enough.

If you cannot accept this basic mathematical precedent then you are either ten years old, retarded, stupid or all of the above.

deviljet88
04-02-2005, 11:58 AM
Working with infinites isn't that basic Barrington :P Ooo, how's this for a theory, to combine both of them... omg this is like so groundbreaking... HOW ABOUT! If in infinite amount of time God was created and He created the rest? Now can we stop listening to this meaningless babble?

IBO
04-02-2005, 03:03 PM
*Barrington* What does infinite nothing + infinite nothing =

barrington
04-02-2005, 03:15 PM
you what?
Given an infinite amount of time and motion, nothing is impossible. Therefore within an infinite amount of time, it is a certainty.

marry rich people
04-02-2005, 10:36 PM
Intelligent Design: sort of cool idea but too easily abused by people who don't understand the meaning of separation between church and state.

Dionysus
05-02-2005, 02:34 PM
didnt you start anoother thread just like this about an e,pty room or some shit
look mate if you wanna believe in god, then im happy for you, but i dont like people trying to convert me, especially on the internet where i cant make the quick sharp responces im reknowned for :D
if you wanna talk about religion, do it at your local church
dont try to convert people on the other side of the planet

sorry bout the rant :D

IBO
05-02-2005, 08:05 PM
didnt you start anoother thread just like this about an e,pty room or some shit
look mate if you wanna believe in god, then im happy for you, but i dont like people trying to convert me, especially on the internet where i cant make the quick sharp responces im reknowned for :D
if you wanna talk about religion, do it at your local church
dont try to convert people on the other side of the planet

sorry bout the rant :D


WHaauuT!! :eek13:

Listen 'mate' I'm not trying to convert anyone, lets get that straight. Second, I'm not all that religious myself. Your talking like the tread was specificly for you "trying to convert me". I got news for ya, The world doesn't revolve around you. If you don't care for the thread, then don't read it. Or read it and not post bullshit. your so ignorant, your utter disregard of other on this site disgust me to the point that i just can't take it anymore. Are you sure your not religious cause you think your some next God of the wavefront.

deviljet88
05-02-2005, 11:51 PM
Yeah, I mean he just said God created the world, not bow down to his feet just because he did. He did after all bring lots of after shit into existence, if you're going to take that stance.

Dionysus
06-02-2005, 01:25 PM
WHaauuT!! :eek13:

Listen 'mate' I'm not trying to convert anyone, lets get that straight. Second, I'm not all that religious myself. Your talking like the tread was specificly for you "trying to convert me". I got news for ya, The world doesn't revolve around you. If you don't care for the thread, then don't read it. Or read it and not post bullshit. your so ignorant, your utter disregard of other on this site disgust me to the point that i just can't take it anymore. Are you sure your not religious cause you think your some next God of the wavefront.


LMFAO

thems fighting words

:fencing:

mate, im just saying what i see
youve started 2 threads like this and both are tied up in religious shit
i dont think this was specified for me, and i KNOW the world doesnt revolve around me
your saying im ignorant and disregard others.... your the one who keeps printing this bullshit about the universe and where we came from etc etc, your disregarding otheres views and pushing your own on others
and i only come on this site like 30mins a day if that so i dont think im a "wavefront God" LOL

your a fucking knobhead mate

EDIT: and also, all i was saying in my original post is you should chill out on this stuff

barrington
07-02-2005, 08:36 AM
Thanks for playing.

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