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Sephiroth v2.0
04-07-2004, 10:30 PM
Me and our good friend Hazzle were discussing over morning tea life the universe and everything...

We then remembered possibly the one thread that never lived up to it's potential (And one certain one that outlived it's by years over 500 replies baby). So here it is Wavefront houses ressurected, so far we have the...

Aristocrats, like dinner parties, wine and lots of it and looking impeccable

Cezelians, Baz's lot, forgot what they do...

This is a feedback thread before we go Gen Discussion, we want to know aobut your ideas for houses what they do, if and why you should become a part of it and anything else you can think of to take this idea further.

Louie
05-07-2004, 12:39 AM
That sounds cool, but isn't it a bit like the KK Posse thing though?

Kelsey
05-07-2004, 07:53 AM
What actually happens? I remember JD mentioning it, but I don't think I ever heard much about how it works.

deviljet88
05-07-2004, 01:53 PM
Uh... can you explain it more clearly for the newer members? And by houses do you mean like teams because I'm thinking of school houses/groups lol...

apoggy
05-07-2004, 02:10 PM
What actually happens? I remember JD mentioning it, but I don't think I ever heard much about how it works.

That was an actual RPG that JD suggested, what I believe Sephy wanted to do was something me and Barrington discussed and have different groups for different memebers and you can ask for memebership to that group, priveledges could include titles/ranks within that group or even a seperate board for the group that only memebers have access to.

Once groups are formed it creates rivalry and competition that could result in fun and games, hijinks and frolics.

Liam
05-07-2004, 06:53 PM
Or complete forum implosion if its not monitored. :p

Naturally the admin staff would have to be neutral and not belong to any set house, lest we get carried away and ban the other houses or something. Ho ho.

Sarah
05-07-2004, 09:22 PM
Is this like a cult? Ooooh how delightful!

Hazzle
06-07-2004, 02:47 AM
Well...like me and Sephy were both aristocrats...so we were always partners in crime...and JD (who had his own house) was our dire enemy...that sort of thing...it could've been really cool but it never really took off as it should've done...maybe more houses would be better as then each house'd only have a few people in it to start with, more likely to have similar interests etc...

duckula
06-07-2004, 02:53 AM
It was a stupid idea then and it still is.

Hazzle
06-07-2004, 03:36 AM
Yeah, well noone cares about your opinion Ducky :) You be senile, remember? :D Oh yus...and who won the war over the infamous thread of 500 replies? ARRRRRRRR! Never mess with me and Sephy...you know it's true :p

acliff
06-07-2004, 11:51 AM
Shut yer trap fool.
Its a bad idea, as we're trying to make the place friendly.
Now if you segregate into groups, you get rivalries, tension, and makes kkw a less hospitable place. You create an elite, a big difference from the standard member.

Sephiroth v2.0
06-07-2004, 12:46 PM
and who won the war over the infamous thread of 500 replies? ARRRRRRRR! Never mess with me and Sephy

That still brings tears to my eyes.. Fucking Camel in Heathrow airport getting a cab...

Its a bad idea, as we're trying to make the place friendly

I miss that time where it was a dog eat dog insult world, where Jules and her lockstick were feared, religious arguments were pages long and Duckeh and Cliffeh were harsh than a desolate wasteland... memories

Elijahfan
06-07-2004, 03:36 PM
mmm....sounds like wonderful times.

so if this house thing is a RPG, how will the rules and houses be established. i've only done one other RPG and it was sorta hard for me to catch on...but i'll give it a try again

Sephiroth v2.0
06-07-2004, 05:22 PM
It's kinda a way of bringing forum members with similar interests closer as well as just being fun. It also can help bring some people a sense of belonging to the forum. Just good fun really.

Kelsey
06-07-2004, 05:47 PM
I agree that this would get competitive, possibly too competitive...I already have enough people here who want to beat the hell out of me.

Liam
06-07-2004, 07:05 PM
I miss that time where it was a dog eat dog insult world, where Jules and her lockstick were feared, religious arguments were pages long and Duckeh and Cliffeh were harsh than a desolate wasteland... memories

Be it known that religious argument threads give me the shits and will result in lockings and beatings.

Why?
The average age of people on these forums is around 16-17. At this age, nobody with half a mind should give two flying shits about anyone else's quite enlightened 17 year old theories on religion. You wont convince me, you wont convince anyone else and quite frankly it makes most people look like idiots. I remember Barrington and DragonRat could have a good religious argument, but out of everyone that posted on it, they are the only ones I can remember as standing out.

Anyway.
KKW Houses. Carry on.

acliff
07-07-2004, 12:44 AM
Discussions about quantum physics etc, would be good and all, and political debates too, but all these immature, no nothing upstarts spam the threads with their unfounded 'truths'... *sigh*

duckula
07-07-2004, 01:48 AM
I don't know why we can't aspire to educated debate. Our innadequacies as a group are no reason to resort to some kind of illusiary factionalisation to stir interest and excitement. Quite frankly I think the whole idea smacks of desperation, that we should have to resort to such a banal instrument to enliven the forums saddens me.

Elijahfan
07-07-2004, 04:12 AM
okay i'm starting to get how this is going to work. no religion or "truth" crap but rather shared interests, but what interests are the main ones that are going to separate the houses?

Sephiroth v2.0
07-07-2004, 07:17 PM
Thats what you guys can decide

Hazzle
08-07-2004, 02:33 AM
I think we've taken our own take of the houses thing that you guys failed to understand. Let me enlighten you cretins (I refer to Ducky and Cliffeh here).

Right...on the KKW posse thread you may recall me saying it was a little silly having a "club" for KK fans when MOST (not all, but most) of the people on here are KK fans...more interesting would be people with common interests forming "posses".

Now me and Sephy, when discussing this, were thinking more along THOSE lines...it would actually create more closer knit groups...and the groups wouldn't be cliques as there wouldn't be competition and people would be free to switch houses (I see no reason why not). Anyone would be allowed to join...it wouldn't be elitist in the slightest...the point is merely to bring like minded people within the umbrella of KKW members into small more itimate groups where closer friendships are likely to develop. IRC used to be pretty good at doing that, but I don't think it is anymore.

Sephy actually spelt all this out further up. If you hate the idea, just say so...you have that right...it's a discussion forum after all...but have the bloody balls to criticise it for the right reasons (not hide behind this "We're trying to make this place more friendly bullshit). We clear?

Thankyou and goodnight.

(Note to anyone else...I don't wish to offend any of you...I just know EXACTLY why the others opposed this idea...thread of 500 posts anyone? Never took these lot for sore losers myself...and I always thought they'd be man enough to be honest not try and use some populist bs to look like the good guys whilst bashing someone else...rather poor show fellas)

Louie
08-07-2004, 05:06 AM
I think that this sounds like a really good idea. I agree that this would probably form more tight-knit relationships within the groups. What are you guys waiting for?!

deviljet88
08-07-2004, 06:35 AM
Could be cool I guess, depending on what topics these groups would fight upon.

duckula
08-07-2004, 09:56 AM
My objection is that it just seems a bit unneccessary and a tad silly (and not in a deliciously humorous fashion).

acliff
08-07-2004, 10:11 AM
From my analysis, this would create a huge quantity of spam. I understood perfectly Haz, don't insult my intelligence.

Not so much now, but I don't trust future members not to completely screw up the system. It may work, but firstly there is not enough people for posses, secondly, what do you suggest? A single thread with all posse activities? Other than that just becoming a signup chat thread, what would it actually achieve? You want seperate forums for each interest? Access restrictions for forums?

From what I can see now, those interested in football will chat in threads about football. Making a football posse is somewhat redundant, for example, I forsee a group backslapping each other, disregarding what people outside their posse and their field of knowledge say, as they're not in the posse.

It is an intriguing idea, but it would end up being an admin and mod nightmare. Its hard enough as it is. Besides I feel this need to exist in some virtual group quite caveman.
If the posse idea does come about, Me and Ducky will create an 'Elitist Bastards' posse, and none of you fuckers will be able to join.

Ashlyn
08-07-2004, 10:56 AM
I think I understand the idea now, I can see how it could work if the groups talked about their own interests, but also came together to talk about stuff with the rest of the forum... However, if the groups are divided so people with interests in sport go that way, people who like music go that way (etc) there doesn't leave much room for anyone coming together... (except for talking about Keira, but some people don't even do that anymore)
You mentioned that people would be free to swap houses whenever they liked, but doesn't that just defeat the purpose of seperating everyone into groups in the first place?
I like the idea of the houses and having competitions between them - that could be fun, but as a way of seperating people for their interests - it doesn't really work in my mind.
Another thing is the number of people we have here now. We don't even have 200 members anymore - and a lot less than half of those would be regular posters, so we'd have like 10 people in each house. And what happens to the people who don't want to join any house? Are they just left to talk amongst themselves about any topic that is left over?
I don't mean to attack anyone who is really into this idea, I just don't see it as being very logical at this stage.

Sephiroth v2.0
08-07-2004, 12:47 PM
Thusly refine it, this thread was about suggestions to improve on a framework idea

Hazzle
08-07-2004, 10:57 PM
Exactly...see the points about the size of the membership, what would happen etc...these were ALL things myself and Sephy discussed...what we concluded was...and here's the intiguing concept...let's open this up to constructive criticism and see what comes out.

Right...the membership...well our plan was to work out the framework entirely...PERFECT the idea...THEN keep it back until the membership is sufficient to sustain it...but I think it could well take several weeks to clear up several chinks, to come up with ideas, refine them etc, so this builds in for that time.

As for what would happen re: seperate forums etc...I'm unsure...but the KK posse seems to do quite well. The idea for inter-house contests (like quizes etc) sounds like fun...and I can see Ashlyn's point about allowing people to switch houses (but the idea was we didn't want to fall afoul of people saying it was too elitist...). I mean if people were changing houses every week I suppose that'd be a problem...so how about allowing a maximum of three moves between houses, after which point you either choose to stay in the one you're in, or just stay part of the KKW community at large)? The point of this thread was to raise these issues and hopefully see if any solutions arose.

The point was that myself and Sephy didn't want to just bloody define the idea ourselves, and then be accused of foisting it on everyone or acting like it was "ours" or any of that crap...seems we can't win.

Now...I'm not in favour of the houses, nor against them...because as yet what they would be has yet to be clearly defined. The point of this was to raise the idea...toss it about...and see what came out...constructive criticism would be good...if you make a criticism though, please just take a little extra time and try and offer a solution. Even if you then think your solution is unworkable...just post it and then say you actually think it's not a satisfactory solution...the point being the more those "solutions" get refined, the more likely they might be to work :)

acliff
09-07-2004, 12:00 AM
When we get to the number of members which would sustain this idea, there would be too many to keep track of moves, etc.
Extra forums, would end up being chat forums, as you can't talk about the posse subject all the time. And chat should generally be kept in irc, or in a lower extent, in the general discussion (its what its there for)

Internet quizzes < google.
the only quizzes that work, are short time based ones, or ones that require creativity, and intelligence. Which are not really things you'd associate with posse group interests.

The KK posse don't actually do very much. They have the tag to show their affection for keira. Fantastic social interaction they have there.

Now I would suggest alternative solutions, but I cannot think of any.
Besides, you may be able to refine gold, but you can't polish a turd. (cliched I know, but it seems to fit the bill)

duckula
09-07-2004, 12:34 AM
While I appreciate the enthusiasm, I still just think its a silly idea. There may be no reasoned arguement in my position but there is a healthy dose of gut instinct. I simply do not think it is a functional idea (and I think the names JD chose for the houses were brass).

apoggy
09-07-2004, 12:35 AM
And you've made the wrong enemies if you want to start this :P

I don't think th eidea has any potential, when in segregate groups what would people do? It just doesn't appear to have an element of fun about it

Hazzle
09-07-2004, 01:02 AM
<shrugs> Don't really care if the idea takes off...because it's clearly been misinterpretted as something it's not...nevermind...

Just one thing Cliff...IRC is dead...has been for a while...it either needs a kick up the arse (and a hard one) or some work has to be done to make the forums more chatty...as to be honest...I only seem to come here to spam, be a pain and to waste time in routine...whereas before I actually used to ENJOY coming...

duckula
09-07-2004, 01:11 AM
Well I think we can adress those issues without resorting to houses. Lead by example good fellow.

Hazzle
09-07-2004, 11:39 PM
Well I think we can adress those issues without resorting to houses.

I never meant to insinuate we couldn't, just that this idea COULD lead to some fun...if people actually tried to work out potential fun uses for it BEFORE getting all picky about practical issues which may not arise because the concept of "houses" will change with all the ideas floating about...but oh well...suppose noone thought of that.

As for leading by example...you jest, surely?

jadie
26-07-2004, 06:29 PM
as in ways to separate the houses? lazy people and up-and-at'em people? strong people and weak people? party people and head-in-school-book people?

barrington
26-07-2004, 07:32 PM
I think we realised that while the old forums might just have sustained such an idea, we cannot possibly entertain such a scheme before we rebuild our new forum's membership to the two-thousand region or thereabouts.

Hazzle
26-07-2004, 10:58 PM
I think we realised that while the old forums might just have sustained such an idea, we cannot possibly entertain such a scheme before we rebuild our new forum's membership to the two-thousand region or thereabouts.

Yeah, you make a good point...for now...let it lie :)

barrington
05-10-2007, 09:13 PM
I wonder what we all think of this idea now, over three years later?
:bump:

hasselbrad
05-10-2007, 09:34 PM
I want a ranch style house with a walk out basement. Something with kind of a Frank Lloyd Wright aesthetic to it.
Oooh...or a bungalow.
It's so hard to decide.

I can't imagine what this would be like. Too few people for it to really work now, I reckon.

And, it's a good thing you've got all them spangly things beside your name, else you'd get banned for the bump.
:p

Mandy
05-10-2007, 09:45 PM
I call Gryffindor.

duckula
05-10-2007, 10:47 PM
I'm sure I was right but now I have no real objections.

barrington
06-10-2007, 01:10 AM
I smell apathy.
It's because you didn't get your BBQ, isn't it?

duckula
06-10-2007, 03:29 PM
Yarr. But seriously, it is probably worth a try.

Hazzle
06-10-2007, 03:47 PM
I wasn't particularly bothered then (just liked getting into arguments...not much has changed then) and I'm not particularly bothered now. On the one hand I'm somewhat with Ducks, it can't hurt, on the other, if we didn't have the members to support the idea THEN we sure as fuck don't now.