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acliff
30-12-2004, 09:54 PM
Who could have thought a disaster such as this could happen without even the smallest warning? With all of our technologies, how could we be so powerless to stop the deaths of 110 thousand people (and counting)? Nature at its most shocking and unforgiving.

The death tolls continue to rise, with 10s of thousands still missing.
As the days go past, an even more shocking figure from the WHO (world health organisation) states that up to 5 million people are at risk from lack of shelter, hunger, disease, and death. Partially due to the inability of the aid workers to help due to transport, and lack of funding.

Please donate towards the cause.
http://pages.ebay.com/tsunamirelief/index.html

Your opinions, thoughts and discussions on this tragedy please.

Melvin
30-12-2004, 09:57 PM
It's someone else's problem?

duckula
30-12-2004, 10:00 PM
Isn't it always?

frodo1511
30-12-2004, 10:00 PM
Well, it did come as a shock to me, mainly because that part of the world isn't prone to earthquakes(according to CNN). Makes me upset that, even though the location was remote, there wasn't any sort of warning system their. Hell, a bell or whistle would suffice.

If this scares you, theirs something worse: Mega tsunami.
Off the coast of the Canary Islands on the west side of Africa lies an island, with the western edge ready to fall off. If it does, a tsunami unlike anything ever seen will be formed. It'll travel 600MPH for starters, and, if it holds together, could submerge the entire eastern seaboard of America, not to mention engulf the Caribbean and Brazil. Scary shit.

acliff
30-12-2004, 10:10 PM
It's someone else's problem?

...
What do you mean by that?

MeggieHoops
30-12-2004, 10:18 PM
I got a ridiculous amount of cash for Christmas that I don't even need, so I'm going to donate most of it to the Red Cross. I think the whole thing is just awful...esp. the way the numbers of deaths just keep rising and don't seem like they'll be stopping any time soon. It makes me really sad.

Renegade
30-12-2004, 10:23 PM
My friend, who has close ties to a city in Thailand, told me that the city (forgot the name) had a population of 150 people. After the tsunami, the body count in the area was around 300.

Sad. My prayers go out to the victims and their families.

Narg
30-12-2004, 10:49 PM
For some reason i dont feel sad, or anything for these people, i never feel sad for people i dont know, and i dont know why. Perhaps im just a heartless bastard.

acliff
30-12-2004, 11:55 PM
For some reason i dont feel sad, or anything for these people, i never feel sad for people i dont know, and i dont know why. Perhaps im just a heartless bastard.

I'm sure they appreciate your honesty.

deviljet88
31-12-2004, 12:06 AM
It was all Tasmania's fault. The mini earthquake that was there apparently triggered the Asian one, which I'm guessing is on the opposite side of the tectonic plate they're located on.

Louie
31-12-2004, 12:07 AM
I just don't get how there was never any kind of warning..........

deviljet88
31-12-2004, 12:10 AM
They knew it was going to be in that area, but they didn't know when. Also they don't have signal bases in the Indian Ocean as they do in the Pacific. They're trying to rally the governments in the area to reconsider putting a base in the Indian Ocean. Seems a worthy investment in my view.

JackYang
31-12-2004, 03:53 AM
I wish a could donate. Unfortunately, I'm broke. :err:

Mags
31-12-2004, 07:11 AM
I just don't get how there was never any kind of warning..........


Jet's right. You can generally know the area in which an earthquake might soon occur...there are sort of warning signs, but it's impossible at this point to predict when they will happen or how strong they will be.

The biggest reason there was no warning is that there isn't the same kind of governmental infrastructure there. Even if there had been ample warning (in Sri Lanka, I believe it took about 2 hours for the waves to get there after the quake), there aren't the facilities to streamline that kind of evacuation. And even with an infrastructure it would be insanely hard to evacuate that many people in 2 hours. Imagine if you had two hours warning of a huge wave coming towards...Florida say. Could you evacuate that many people in an organized way in that little space of time? Probably not.

I'll be making a donation as soon as I get paid again. This whole thing is awful. I may feel a little detached from the events, but I don't think it doesn't affect me. In my geology class this semester, we talked about things like this, and the possibility of tsunamis coming after a huge seismic event like an earthquake. My professor said the worst case scenario was an earthquake near the islands of Japan because it could start huge waves toward North and Sout Korea and China which are also very densely populated along the coasts. An earthquake in Japan could trigger waves that would even hit the West coast of the US. Just because it didn't happen to me personally this time doesn't mean I would be so lucky the next time.

Leonie
31-12-2004, 12:22 PM
I just don't get how there was never any kind of warning..........

I don't get how the government of Thailand could be such heartless bastards. Meteorologists there knew odds were the quake triggered a tsunami, and yet the government kept quiet because 'if it were false alarm, it would affect the tourist industry'. Like somehow thousands of tourists dying doesn't. I don't understand who the hell they think they are, deciding to keep information that could have saved thousands and thousands of lives to themselves. Though Mags is right - not all people would have been able to get away in time due to the crappy infrastructure regardless of a warning in advance, a warning could have saved at least a couple of thousand people.

I am shocked - not only by the disaster itself, but by the heartlessness of people as well. Bastards. Same goes for cab drivers there doubling their prices now, supermarkets doing the same... Wtf is wrong with these people?

Will donate as soon as I get my salary on Monday.

PhoeniX
31-12-2004, 01:53 PM
How far would £10 go to help them?

Sarah
31-12-2004, 02:26 PM
How far would £10 go to help them?


Apparently, 10 pounds would provide 100 hot meals.. so its worth it.

I've donated 30 pounds... thats all I have...

Melvin
31-12-2004, 04:35 PM
I'm sorry Acliff, I didn't really mean anything by it, I was actually just trying to diffuse the clearly emotionally charged nature of this terrible tragedy.

I actually donated £20 this morning, unfortunately that's all I can afford but every little helps I suppose. I got a fair amount of money during Christmas but unfortunately I "need" a lot of it. I know I probably don't "need" it as much as the victims of this catastrophe, so maybe I'm being heartless, but I'm honest enough to admit I could donate more if I didn't "need" it.

Speaking of which I don't think you're heartless Narg, at least you're being honest about your feelings. I personally feel horrible after seeing the images of the devastation, especially considering my mother and sister were planning to go to India and Sri Lanka in the New Year and could well have, had it been a little later, been...I don't even want to think about it.

I'm sorry if my words offended people, I honestly didn't mean any offence, I was just trying to lift my own mood because this is such a sad event. I personally can hardly look at the news footage as it's just so shocking, I have to turn away.

duckula
31-12-2004, 04:59 PM
Well I have £13 in my bank account so I guess £13 it is.

ryan
31-12-2004, 05:18 PM
my friend had left taiwan and thailand 29 hours before the earthquake/tsunami happened. he was staying not 200 yards from the beach. if he was there just another day or so, he'd be dead. i'm glad he left when he did.

peach
01-01-2005, 07:35 PM
It's awful to hear, read and see all the things on the news etc..It gives me teary eyes to think of it when all you do is hear about the catastrophe.I'm deciding where I'm gonna donate some money, there are so many alternatives to choose from.

Andrew
04-01-2005, 03:12 PM
It's awful to hear, read and see all the things on the news etc..It gives me teary eyes to think of it when all you do is hear about the catastrophe.I'm deciding where I'm gonna donate some money, there are so many alternatives to choose from.
You're from Sweden so may be you could answer why it is that Thailand is so popular among Swedish people as Sweden has had alot more losses than the other European countries?

The death toll has now reached a reported 140,000 with it still expected to rise alot more.

KeirazBabe
04-01-2005, 08:14 PM
I think its absolutely awful :( my friend was out in Thailand when it hapened and thank Gawd hes fine *hugz him*...but i also think its great how much people have pulled together and donated money and gone out as volenters :) (shite, how do you spell that? ha..dumb arse!)

xXx

Andrew
04-01-2005, 08:20 PM
It is a shame that in maybe a years time when it is no longer recieving the widespread coverage that it is getting now these people will stop recieving aid as people will forget about them like which has happened on many previous occasions, and what makes it worse now is that the news are reporting that children are going missing and are thought to be being used in the child sex trade.

peach
04-01-2005, 08:28 PM
I'm not sure why Thailand is popular among Swedish people but I think it's because it's cheap to live down there, comparing to sweden it's excotic, different culture etc. It's a perfect place to travel with the family, children friendly.. The media in Sweden are talking about it constantly, you can call me stupid but when I see things about it on the tv I just change the channel cause I can't stand to see it more, I know what happens, people are dying some are found, people are suffering etc. It just makes me wanna cry I've done my donation, I can't do more. People have been asked if they could concider visit Thailand again, and they all said that they would. There are many Swedish people who are working there within tourism. They said that 1903 is still missing. So we'll see what happens.

frodo1511
04-01-2005, 09:45 PM
US is reported to give 350 mill. to help with the aftermath of the tsunami.

deviljet88
05-01-2005, 02:00 AM
I'm not sure why Thailand is popular among Swedish people but I think it's because it's cheap to live down there, comparing to sweden it's excotic, different culture etc. It's a perfect place to travel with the family, children friendly.. The media in Sweden are talking about it constantly, you can call me stupid but when I see things about it on the tv I just change the channel cause I can't stand to see it more, I know what happens, people are dying some are found, people are suffering etc. It just makes me wanna cry I've done my donation, I can't do more. People have been asked if they could concider visit Thailand again, and they all said that they would. There are many Swedish people who are working there within tourism. They said that 1903 is still missing. So we'll see what happens.
You heard about the 12 year old Swedish kid who apparently got abducted by child traffikers (Christian Walker or something)? Apparently some sick bastards are taking orphaned kids and "caring" for them. Those low lifes should go to hell for taking advantage of children especially when they need help, not more pain.

acliff
05-01-2005, 04:27 PM
I heard something absolutely despicable today.
There were people calling in to radio stations complaining about the 3 minute silence that was held for the victims and families affected by the earthquake.
Which is fair enough to an extent, as their parents may have died in world war 1, and respectful silence for that is only 3 minutes a year.
But what I found absolutely unbelievable was how some people were saying how they were being dictated to, and how they weren't going to do it just because the EU told them to.
To the point where some people call in saying that they actively made a point of making noise and answering phones loudly and shouting how they weren't going to be silent during the silence.
The fucking cheek of it. If I was at work, and some person was making a noise just to prove a point, I would have fucking knocked them out. Can't believe they couldn't show 3 minutes of respect, if not for the victims (its not our problem), for the people who actually care about the victims.

Andrew
05-01-2005, 04:43 PM
I heard something absolutely despicable today.
There were people calling in to radio stations complaining about the 3 minute silence that was held for the victims and families affected by the earthquake.
Which is fair enough to an extent, as their parents may have died in world war 1, and respectful silence for that is only 3 minutes a year.
But what I found absolutely unbelievable was how some people were saying how they were being dictated to, and how they weren't going to do it just because the EU told them to.
To the point where some people call in saying that they actively made a point of making noise and answering phones loudly and shouting how they weren't going to be silent during the silence.
The fucking cheek of it. If I was at work, and some person was making a noise just to prove a point, I would have fucking knocked them out. Can't believe they couldn't show 3 minutes of respect, if not for the victims (its not our problem), for the people who actually care about the victims.
Unfortunetly some people don't care about things if it doesn't directly affect them which is a bit of a sad attitude to have towards life.

FooTM
06-01-2005, 12:15 AM
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/1879/ruumiita4ft.jpg

I've seen some sick pictures in my time, but this is quite horrific really.

peach
06-01-2005, 04:33 PM
You heard about the 12 year old Swedish kid who apparently got abducted by child traffikers (Christian Walker or something)? Apparently some sick bastards are taking orphaned kids and "caring" for them. Those low lifes should go to hell for taking advantage of children especially when they need help, not more pain.
They were saying this in the papers yesterday:
The police is suspecting that the twelve year old kid have been kidnapped after the catastrophe in Thailand. He is now notificated as a missing person internationally. Three employers at the Hospital Tai Mueng in Phuket said that they had seen the twelve year old boy at the hospital with company of a european looking man. Acording to sources they were at the hospital to look over some cuts and bruises.
The boys father is almost sure that it was his son that they are talking about and suspecting that the son could be kidnapped.
Later the same day: The employers at the hospital took what they said back, that it probably wasn’t the boy they were looking for. Another source said that they said that the man had told them that they had know eachother from earlier on when they met at another trip.
I’ve got no idea if they found the boy yet but the police said that they won’t rule out anything until they did find him

Leonie
08-01-2005, 07:36 AM
I think there was a bit on the Dutch news about that too. This Swedish father had rushed to Thailand where his ex-wife and children were on holiday, right? He'd found two of his children, but one of his sons was still missing. Still no word from the ex-wife either.

It's *so* sad. I stick with my previous statement: I am shocked by the heartlessness of some people.

Have donated now btw. Donate if you haven't yet! :)

Ranman
12-01-2005, 09:17 AM
If anyone wants to donate try to use UNICEF
my dad says they are the beat
95 cents of every dollar will go to relief
Thats where my family gave our money